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Post by pim on Feb 9, 2022 15:49:25 GMT 10
You can see that Ponto, and so can I. The fact that Toots totally misunderstands/misrepresents what I posted is not something I can help her with. This is a deranged board. Fruitcake Central. I can't be bothered with the need to forensically parse and slice & dice the meaning of each and every word/sentence in an effort to make clear not just what I mean, but what I don't mean. Toots is loopy. Leave it at that. See you OTR.
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Post by pim on Feb 8, 2022 15:24:33 GMT 10
One cannot determine what is normal as in Grace Tame's situation ....a shy kid would find it difficult to shout out, predators choose their prey. Spot on Ponto and highlights one of the central issues of child rape and that’s the loss of agency - or probably more accurately since one of the main features of childhood is the absence of agency, the scumbag who rapes a child prevents her from gaining agency. Stellar takes Grace to task for who she targets: she should have blamed the school, she didn’t put up a fight etc etc. It seems to me that Stellar is looking for reasons to blame shift and suggest by innuendo that Grace is responsible for her own plight. She had no agency in that situation. Nobody asks to be raped and passivity doesn’t mean consent. The fact that she didn’t scream blue murder as a teenager can’t be held against her. The fact that as a woman in her 20s she is calling it out and is seeking as an adult to use her experience as a rape victim to help other rape victims find their own agency in dealing with their experiences is to her immense credit. Grace isn’t the first person to give Scotty Smirk and Mirrors the cold shoulder. Gawd knows he richly deserves being given the cold shoulder. Ask the bushfire victims who refused to shake hands with him. Ask the families of aged care residents who are worried sick at the failure of Scotty Word Salad’s miserable government to keep their loved ones safe. Ask Scotty from Marketing’s colleagues what they think of him. Actually, no need to ask, just read their tweets!
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Grace Tame
Jan 30, 2022 13:32:09 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jan 30, 2022 13:32:09 GMT 10
She didn’t give a XXXX and it looks as though her Corona will go viral
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Post by pim on Jan 28, 2022 17:21:08 GMT 10
Interesting that you should mention Grace Tame's childhood. She was robbed of her childhood by a predatory male who abused his position of trust and duty of care in a series of crimes against her that robbed her of any agency at a time when she was most vulnerable. Her life since than has been about reclaiming that agency and moving beyond the crimes that were committed against her as a child to give agency to other rape victims. It's a breathtaking achievement.
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Post by pim on Jan 28, 2022 9:05:06 GMT 10
Amen to that.
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Post by pim on Jan 27, 2022 23:23:37 GMT 10
Grace Tame’s side-eye, the PM and Peter van OnselenConservatives have been trying to silence Grace Tame all year. Now she’s finally given them silence and they can't shut up about it.Imogen Champagne 27 January 2022 www.crikey.com.au/2022/01/27/grace-tame-side-eye-peter-van-onselen/This, according to Matt, is Grace Tame throwing a “tantrum”. Having brought up three kids and having five grandchildren aged10 and under, lemme tellya, if that’s a “tantrum” then no wonder Grace’s surname is “Tame”Was there ever a side-eye that divided a nation quite like the side-eye that former Australian of the Year Grace Tame threw at Prime Minister Scott Morrison this week Except, let’s be honest, it didn’t really divide a nation — it divided those who still believe women owe men smiles with those who don’t. Here’s what happened. At a morning tea to meet the 2022 Australian of the Year finalists in Canberra, Tame was enthusiastically called over for a photo op by Morrison (perhaps he was looking for a new costume: yesterday his daggy-dad hat or a hi-vis vest, today a strident advocate — we know how much he likes to play dress-ups). Tame obliged, if somewhat reluctantly. She and fiancé Max Heerey shook hands with Morrison, posed for a photo, and didn’t respond to his question (“How are you going? Congratulations on the engagement”). She also threw the PM an exceptional side-eye during the photos, and did not crack a smile (neither did fiance Heerey, by the way), before exiting stage right. Cue the outrage. It came in from all the usual suspects, but most notably political academic and journalist Peter van Onselen, who wrote that Tame was “ungracious, rude and childish”, and that if her disdain for Morrison was so great she shouldn’t have gone. Yes, because that would have played out really well. Later that day, van Onselen was co-hosting The Project with Carrie Bickmore and was ripped a new one by Bickmore and guest commentator Amy Remeikis, Guardian Australia’s political reporter. Since the side-eye sitch, Twitter has been flooded with comparison’s to Tame’s actions, more noticeably Justice Kenneth Hayne’s refusal to play nice with Treasurer Josh Frydenberg in 2019, and Morrison’s forced handshake with a Black Summer bushfire victim, a situation he then went on to lie about (that’s lie number 39, folks).
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Grace Tame
Jan 27, 2022 16:09:40 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jan 27, 2022 16:09:40 GMT 10
What tantrum? Trantrums are highly active and “out there”. We all know what it’s like when a kid throws a “tanty” or a “wobbly” or a “meltdown”. You lie, Matt. Grace was passive and her interactions with him were minimalist. You want to call that a “tantrum”. You lie. Observe, gentle reader, the lies that the far right apologist for child sexual abuse resorts to when he wants to do a character assassination job on a survivor of child rape who’s fed up with the guy who runs a protection racket government for misogynists and rapists. She acted with commendable restraint towards Scotty Word Salad. She probably would have preferred to kick the lowlife scumbag in the balls and whip him with a firehose to show him what one looks like. But that’s just me being unusually intemperate. Grace was very temperate and graceful. What a lady.
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Post by pim on Jan 27, 2022 7:47:35 GMT 10
Grace Tame owes Scott Morrison nothing.
This was the Scott Morrison who told the march of sexual violence survivors and their allies who Tame accompanied to Parliament House that the women were lucky to have not been “met with bullets”.
The Scott Morrison who ignored key recommendations in the Respect@Work report, the Morrison who did not demote the minister who called alleged rape victim Brittany Higgins “a lying cow”.
This is the Scott Morrison who elevated to assistant minister for women one Amanda Stoker – after Stoker had promoted men’s rights activist Bettina Arndt, who herself had platformed the man who raped Tame as a child.
The Scott Morrison who responded to Tame’s speech at last year’s Australia Day awards ceremony with the remark, “Well, gee, I bet it felt good to get that out.”
Morrison, a world leader and adult man, who infamously had to have it explained to him by his wife why sexual violence was bad.
Grace Tame has every reason to kick the bastard right in the crown jewels, instead she acted with commendable restraint. She is one helluva young Australian woman.
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Post by pim on Jan 22, 2022 11:20:47 GMT 10
This board has become:
1. Racist Central
2. Anti-Vaxxer Central
3. “Science = Conspiracy” Central
4. Pandemic Denialism Central therefore Death Cult Central
You’re welcome to it.
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Post by pim on Jan 21, 2022 13:08:13 GMT 10
Scotty Word Salad’s latest brain fart: 16 year old forklift drivers “Toddlers should be allowed to drive forklifts”, says toddler in charge of countrywww.theshovel.com.au/2022/01/21/toddlers-drive-forklifts-toddler-in-charge-of-country/Children should be allowed to operate heavy machinery, 53 year-old little boy Scott Morrison says. While the plan has been met with criticism, experts say the change would bring child labour laws in line with other areas of society. “There are inconsistencies in the legislation. It is confusing why a child can’t drive a forklift, given they can be elected to the nation’s highest office,” employment analyst Trisha Bourke said. “Some people may say it’s inappropriate for a child to operate heavy machinery, but no-one seems to have noticed that a child has been operating the country for the past three and a half years”. Unions were quick to comment, saying that driving a forklift and driving a medium-sized economy are not suitable activities for children. “There’s a risk that they might fall asleep at the wheel,” a spokesperson said. They went on to say that, “we disagree with the concept of child labour in general however if we can find someone half as good at stacking pork as the current PM is at pork-barreling then why the fuck not.” Scott Morrison was unavailable for further comment as he was on time-out due to shitting his pants after being told he could not have McDonald’s for dinner.
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Post by pim on Jan 19, 2022 8:03:47 GMT 10
The Reality: the anti vaxxer movement is turning into a death cult. The toll in the blighted lives of kids of anti vaxxer parents who have died of the virus is one of the great untold stories, and the harm done by high profile anti vaxxers who spread confusion among the information poor and undermine the effectiveness of public health measures to deal with the virus is tantamount to giving aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime. In politics we have the insipid handwringing of both the prime minister and the deputy prime minister faced with the immense harm done by government backbenchers like George Christensen, Alex Antic, Gerard Rennick and others who actively discourage Australians from getting themselves and their children vaccinated thus undermining government policy, and the spectacle of a real natural disaster like the Tonga volcano being trumped on the news by the self-indulgence of a spoiled brat of a Serbian tennis player who turns the Australian Open into an anti-vaxxer jamboree and gets kicked out of the country for his trouble.
Luke 23:34 doesn’t apply in these cases because the anti vaxxers know exactly what they’re doing.
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Post by pim on Jan 18, 2022 23:15:38 GMT 10
G’day Grim, I have to echo Caskur’s point in another thread that it’s a sad commentary on our values when a story about a spoiled brat of an over-entitled tennis player trumps a natural disaster and tragedy with global ramifications which should have been dominating the news from the outset.
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Post by pim on Jan 16, 2022 0:03:27 GMT 10
Josh Frydenberg is looking a bit shaky in Kooyong. Kooyong!!! That’s Bob Menzies’ old seat. We’re talking Liberal Holy of Holies. Could the Liberal Party be setting itself up, under the leadership of Scotty Smirk and Mirrors, to lose Bob Menzies’ old seat?? The prime minister says: Let them eat CovidBy Chris Wallace December 15 - 21 2022 www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/01/15/the-prime-minister-says-let-them-eat-covid/164216520013149The Morrison government’s “let them eat cake” approach to running Australia took a hit this week when Liberal treasurer Josh Frydenberg tested positive to Covid-19. Frydenberg’s Twitter presence dimmed. Missives paused from the man many see as the inheritor of the Liberal leadership should Scott Morrison stumble at the coming federal election. The radical herd immunity approach followed by the New South Wales Liberal boy premier, Dominic Perrottet, and enthusiastically encouraged by Morrison, has ruthlessly hit home, infecting the member for Kooyong. “Like thousands of Australians,” he tweeted at 8.20pm on Friday, January 7, “I tested positive today to Covid-19. I have the common symptoms and am isolating with my family. My thoughts are with all those who have Covid – this is a difficult time but we will get through this.” At time of writing, Frydenberg has not tweeted again. No one wishes Frydenberg ill. Australians’ sense of a fair go thankfully still, for most people, means not wishing a potentially lethal illness on political opponents. I wish him a speedy recovery. Nevertheless, Victorians could be forgiven for a degree of schadenfreude over Frydenberg’s positive status, given his righteous “freedumb” lectures during the Andrews government lockdowns in 2020 and 2021. The hubris came from a politician who had survived the biggest scare of his life at the last election: Frydenberg was worried up to and including election day itself that he could lose his seat. Over the past fortnight Frydenberg will have experienced the dawning realisation that he really could lose it this time around. With the next federal election just a breath away, reality has pierced the Kooyong bubble. His may not be the absolute richest electorate in Australia, but it’s not far off. And the cake-eaters of Kooyong are not happy. When Morrison visited Victoria before Christmas – in a trial run of the coming campaign – he headed for the second-friendliest territory for him in Melbourne: Katie Allen’s Kooyong-adjacent seat of Higgins. Morrison likely chose it to avoid inadvertently bumping into Kooyong resident and Climate 200 founder Simon Holmes à Court, or “Simon HAC” as the Kooyong indies fondly call him, and copping a climate policy earful. Journalists billed and cooed as Morrison got his hair scissored by a Higgins barber. Citizens bitched and moaned at the slaveringly soft-focus coverage of the visit. Man gets haircut: wow. Higgins and Kooyong residents let it slide off their backs. Morrison is just another Liberal prime minister, after all. And Liberal prime ministers – they’ve seen a few. Morrison would get a different reception now. The Kooyong cake-eaters and their Higgins neighbours face semi-empty supermarket shelves. They’re queueing to try to buy some of the dwindling to non-existent supply of rapid antigen tests, essential to our daily work and life as the Morrison government now runs it. Liberal turned independent Julia Banks tweeted a picture of a pharmacy this week, showing people in a queue several shopfronts long waiting to buy RATs. It is around the corner from the Higgins barbershop where Morrison got his nauseating pre-Christmas trim. This is not life as Kooyong and Higgins people know it. Queueing is for the little people. Queueing is for people in the former Soviet Union. Queueing is not for Liberals. This is a self-evident Kooyong and Higgins truth. Life has been turned on its head. Frydenberg claimed in his tweet that “we will get through this”. As with so much Morrison and his ministers say, this is not wholly true. We won’t all get through this. We’re not all getting through this. People are dying. In the seven days to time of writing, 217 Australians died – 217 young, middle-aged and old people – from Covid-19. Covid-positive intensive care patients are at record levels. The hospital system and GP practices are buckling under the pressure of soaring infections and inadequate supplies and infrastructure. Supply chains are breaking as production and transport services are hit. Nursing homes are on a knife edge about whether to stay open or close due to staff shortages. Workers can’t get – or if they can, many can’t afford – RATs and so don’t know whether they could or should go to work or stay home. Schools are about to reopen and the ventilation systems haven’t been attended to and the kids haven’t been vaccinated yet. Pause to reflect on just one aspect of the crisis this week: SBS Canberra bureau chief Anna Henderson’s Wednesday night report about a meeting between the aged-care sector and the Morrison government over dire staff and personal protective equipment shortages in aged-care homes. One aged-care sector source didn’t want to be named, Henderson said, because they feared retribution from the federal government department overseeing them. Retribution. The savage, reckless, wantonly negligent public health policy of the federal government that is supposed to protect us – and above all, make sure people in places like Kooyong and Higgins never face the horror of queues and half-empty supermarket shelves – has plunged Australia into a debacle of massive and unprecedented proportions. But wait. There’s more. Enter the Djoker. The Australian Open is akin to a pagan religious festival for tennis lovers in the second half of January every year. It’s a weirdly wholesome yet sexy, freewheeling sports fest for the international racquet set, who fly into Melbourne, play hard (in both senses) and fly out again until the following year. People of a certain age know the Australian Open as “Kooyong”, as in “Martina Navratilova won Kooyong in 1981 but Chris Evert beat her the year after that”. It’s because the tournament was held at the Kooyong Lawn Tennis Club from 1972, the year Josh Frydenberg started walking, until it moved to the Melbourne Park complex in 1988. Tennis was the biggest thing in young Josh’s life. He was a pro tennis player who didn’t quite get there. His psychologist mother and surgeon father opposed Josh’s plan to drop out of school in the 1980s to have a crack at the big time. The closest he got was playing full-time tennis during his gap year and twice competing at the World University Games. When you look at the treasurer, don’t think he’s living the dream. Being member for Kooyong, treasurer, and maybe even prime minister one day, is Frydenberg’s second choice. He’s only 10 years older than Roger Federer. Think what might have been. And now to be fighting Covid-19 and having to sit by and see his own government make Australia the laughing stock of the international tennis scene and wider sports world after locking up reigning champion Novak Djokovic in a hotel full of, well, refugees – why, it’s kicking a man when he’s down. It’s worse than queueing. Rusted-on Kooyong Liberal voters may, like Warringah voters did in 2019, think, “Not this time.” They will be shifted by the general impression and reality of incompetent government from Morrison and his motley team. Since New Year’s Day the prime minister has blown up all three aspects of his core re-election pitch to voters. Morrison’s claim that the Coalition are better economic managers is in tatters after his ridiculous “push through” Covid strategy tanked the economy, with large numbers of Australians going into de facto lockdown in their own self-defence. His border security record is now farcical in light of the bullying, contradictory, Kafkaesque performance surrounding Novak Djokovic’s cancelled visa, imprisonment and, after a successful legal challenge, release. His third and paramount claim – to superior competence in government – is revealed as the most spurious of all. Whichever way you look – work, school, shops, hospitals, transport, everywhere – the shambolic mess that is Australia right now is down to the decisions of Morrison and Perrottet. They say people never forget the way a politician makes them feel. Morrison has filled many Australians with fear and dread as they try to dodge a deadly disease, try to get to work to put bread on the table, and try to find a supermarket with bread on the shelf in the first place. At this rate perhaps it might even be merciful relief for Frydenberg to lose his seat. There’s always the seniors tennis tour. There’ll probably be free cake in the tournament green room. •
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2022 23:54:30 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2022 10:21:15 GMT 10
Mad Matt’s just a culture war in search of a cause.
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Post by pim on Jan 13, 2022 9:24:58 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jan 13, 2022 7:41:53 GMT 10
I realise that “pidgin” is pronounced “pigeon” but it’s got nothing to do with pigeons. Do they even have pigeons in PNG? I’m sure there are but Tok Pisin isn’t named after them. From the little I know the term “pidgin” originated in the 1800s from the way expat Chinese said “business”.
As for teaching Standard English, that happens in remote indigenous communities IF they’re given the proper resources. This was pioneered in the Top End by, you guessed it, a Christian missionary named Beulah Lowe who’d learned several Top End languages. There are currently more than twenty in the Arnhem Land alone that are still viable but the one with the most speakers is Yolngu. The recently deceased indigenous actor David Gulpilil was a native Yolngu speaker. I can’t tell you how many Central Australian languages are still in existence but the richness and diversity of Indigenous Australia is not widely known among whitefellas. When you’re in Central Australia in a sense you’re at Ground Zero of indigenous Australian culture. Kriol is useful as a communication tool among indigenous Australians of diverse languages. You hear them in Adelaide when you come across indigenous people from the APY Lands. They’re not speaking to each other in English and in fact English is their second, or third or even fourth language.
So how did Beulah Lowe approach the issue of teaching Standard English to central Australian kids in their school curriculum? She figured, correctly, that you only learn to read and write once unless you’re moving outside the Latin alphabet which is not the case here. When I learned French at school, for example, I didn’t need to re-invent the alphabet, I simply applied that skill set to French. Same with indigenous languages that have a written form and for that a huge debt of gratitude is owed to Christian missionaries over more than a century. Beulah reasoned, again correctly, that literacy is learned most effectively if it’s taught in the kids’ first language and to that end she trained indigenous teaching assistants to teach kids to read and write in Pitjantjatjara or Warlpiri or Yolngu or Gupupunyu. The next step would be to bring in a trained ESL (English as a second language) teacher and as the kids consolidated their literacy English would take over, in a gradual and staged way, as the language of instruction.
In any case that’s the plan! One of my daughters began her public service career in the Top End and when the NT intervention happened under the Howard government over the issue of child abuse and welfare payments were made to mothers rather than to the menfolk who’d blow it on booze and ganja, my daughter would have to travel through the Top End explaining the policy to meetings of indigenous women. I always maintain that the aboriginal renaissance when it comes will be led by the women but that’s another story. Invariably she’d have to use the services of a Kriol speaker who could also speak standard English. Don’t regard Kriol as some sort of handicap. That’s the Pauline Hanson view. Kriol is rich and valuable and goes to the heart of Aboriginal identity.
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Post by pim on Jan 13, 2022 0:18:33 GMT 10
Explainer: the largest language spoken exclusively in Australia – KriolTom E Lewis translated parts of King Lear into Kriol for the Malthouse Theatre production of The Shadow King. Malthouse TheatreBy Greg Dickson, Postdoctoral Fellow (Linguistics), The University of Queensland theconversation.com/explainer-the-largest-language-spoken-exclusively-in-australia-kriol-56286It’s not a trivia question I’ve come across. But if someone asked: “which language, only found in Australia, is spoken over an area the size of Spain and is the second most common language in the Northern Territory?” would you get it right? The correct answer – Kriol – is not a traditional Indigenous language, but refers to the creole language spoken across swathes of northern Australia. No one really knows how many people speak it, but the 2011 census figure of 4,000 is certainly an under-representation. Linguists put the number of Kriol speakers closer to 20,000, knowing that census data struggles to accurately capture high levels of multilingualism in remote Aboriginal communities. Kriol is now even a language of Shakespeare. The critically acclaimed King Lear adaption The Shadow King (2013) was partially translated into Kriol by Aboriginal actor and musician Tom E Lewis (main image). It will debut internationally in London this June, coinciding with celebrations for Shakespeare’s 400th anniversary. But what is Kriol? Well, Kriol is (not surprisingly) a creole language. Some may immediately associate the word “creole” with southern USA, which is home to French-influenced culture, cooking and language. But that association is a red herring. Creole, as a linguistic term, is a type of language typically born out of abrupt and often brutal colonisation processes. Creoles are generally based on the dominant language of the colonisers, such as French (as in creoles spoken in Haiti, Louisiana or Mauritius), English (as in Solomon Islands, Belize or Hawai'i), or even Portuguese (in Cape Verde). The lexicon and grammatical structures of creole languages are largely derived from the dominant language, called the “lexifier”. But speakers of creole languages adapt and innovate upon the lexifier to such an extent that the creole becomes incomprehensible to people who only speak the standard form of the lexifier. As you enter Minyerri community, an old sign reads in Kriol ‘Minyerri is our place’.The emergence of KriolThe genesis of Northern Australia’s creole language is attributed to a combination of factors, including the expansion of the pastoral industry into the Northern Territory and Kimberleys, the violent frontier deaths that swiftly diminished the numbers of speakers of local Indigenous languages, and the establishment of missions. At the Roper River Mission (now Ngukurr), established in 1908, Aboriginal children from various traumatised language groups were placed into dormitories with reduced parental contact. Bound together by a Pidgin English developed in New South Wales, they developed it into a fully-fledged creole: a language in its own right with a distinctive vocabulary, sound system and grammatical rules. Over the course of a century, Kriol has spread or emerged in many other northern remote communities and where it has, it dominates daily life. English is usually reserved for dealings with white people and traditional languages so endangered they are barely heard. In the fringes of Kriol country, some communities have recently created new languages, like Light Warlpiri and Gurindji Kriol, that systematically mix Kriol with the original language of the community. The label Kriol is now used uncontroversially in many (but not all) places, but it took several generations to be legitimised. In the 1960s and 70s, linguists challenged the idea that creole languages were unsophisticated, lacking rules and a poor imitation of English. Bible translation and academic research began to demonstrate that what was dismissed as Pidgin English was actually a language. The name Kriol was introduced and, fifty years later, it remains. Gaining recognitionIn legitimising the language, linguists and Kriol speakers showed that it was rule-governed and distinct from English. For example, Kriol speakers use the English word we (spelled wi) but the Kriol wi and English we are false friends. Kriol has finer distinctions and its speakers use four pronouns to cover what English speakers use only we for. Sometimes, a word might be a recognisable English form, but the meaning is unique to Kriol. Drand, from “drowned”, simply means to go underwater. Death is not implied. Spilim, from “spill”, means to pour liquid intentionally. You can spilim ti to make your cuppa once the billy has boiled. But if you knocked it over, you might use the verb dilbak. While most of Kriol’s lexicon is derived from English, words like dilbak, from traditional languages, make a small but important contribution to distinguishing Kriol further from English. In Ngukurr, you ngarra when you look surreptitiously. A few hundred kilometres away in Beswick, the word roih is used to describe the same thing. Words like roih and ngarra that differ based on geography also exemplify how different dialects have evolved across the large area where Kriol is spoken. Kriol is a fully-functional, expressive language and can be used in all facets of life. Internationally, some creoles are national languages, as with Bislama in Vanuatu or Krio in Sierra Leone. Australia, with its monolingual mindset, has struggled to afford prestige to Kriol, as it has with traditional languages. Despite this, in the space of fifty years, Kriol has gone from an unnamed creole, to a language that has been used in government education, liturgy, in stage and popular music, is interpreted widely, and now heard daily in ABC News. The emergence and growing acceptance of Kriol is not without issues. Not everyone who a linguist would say is a Kriol speaker is comfortable applying that label to themselves. Kriol speakers typically place greater cultural importance and prestige on traditional languages, and those languages are declining rapidly. For Aboriginal people who are concerned about the loss of traditional languages, Kriol is an obvious scapegoat, seen by more than a few as a language killer. Counter-arguments can be made that the same forces of colonisation and inequity have caused both phenomena: the loss of traditional languages and the emergence of Kriol. Actor Tom E Lewis, who grew up speaking Kriol at the Roper River Mission, says Kriol is a “double-edged sword”: We’re proud to speak Kriol. But it kinda backfired, because our traditional language is gone.Whether you see Kriol as a positive or a negative, it deserves to be more widely known, if only because it is the largest language spoken exclusively in Australia. In its short history, it is now a significant part of Australia’s rich linguistic fabric. Kriol is a growing language, heard across much of Northern Australia, yet remains under-recognised and unfortunately is still sometimes stigmatised.
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Post by pim on Jan 13, 2022 0:09:16 GMT 10
Mad Matt you’ve obviously never heard of Kriol. It’s pronounced “cree-oll” and it channels the better known word “creole”. A creole language is derived from different languages, with one “parent” language predominating, which have mixed and blended to form the creole language. It’s not “inferior” or baby talk but a fully fledged language. In PNG the creole form of English which we call “pidgin English” but which is called Tok Pisin in PNG has official status as a national language - one of several. In South Africa, Afrikaans is a creole form of Dutch which I can kind of understand but it’s not Dutch - at least not anymore. It’s derived from the original Dutch settlers who landed there in the 1600s and over the centuries absorbed Bantu and other influences and evolved away from Dutch to become a distinct language. It’s spoken by white Aftrikaners and other demographics as well. In Australia Kriol originally developed in the Hunter Valley but it’s spread from there and its heartland is the Top End which includes the top end in WA and Qld as well as in the NT, Central Australia and the APY lands in the north of SA.
I’m not at all surprised that the boofhead on this “Rebel TV” or whatever it’s called reacts with his racist sneers. And yes I’ll double down on that. These are racist sneers. But in a way I can understand it. The guy is so caught up in his own fucked up cultural universe that he’s probably utterly clueless about the linguistic diversity among Australia’s First Nations. But I’m surprised at you, Mad Matt. With your evangelical religious fervour I’d have thought you’d have a few more clues than you show here about cultural and linguistic diversity. Let me share something with you. The people who have done the hard yards in learning First Nations languages and cultures, and who have familiarised themselves with Kriol, are the Christian missionaries who have worked among First Nations communities for over a century. The Bible has been translated into Kriol, and Warlpiri, and Yolngu, and Pitjantjatjara and other Top End languages. By missionaries. Multicultural outreach through proactively learning aboriginal languages has been a stock in trade of Christian missionaries for generations. They don’t despise Kriol. They learn it. Why should you despise it.
Occam if you’re reading this maybe as a Christian yourself you might be able to enlighten us. Is the story I’ve just told about missionaries and First Nations languages in Australia similar to missionaries and Canadian First Nations languages? I’m betting that there are parallels. And tell us, please, is there a First Nations creole that’s used in the more remote regions of your country? I can tell you that by translating the Bible into Central Australian and Arnhem Land languages, missionaries have saved those tribal languages from language death.
There’s an informative article on Australian Kriol that I’ll c & p in my next post on this thread. Read it, or don’t read it if you just prefer the racist sneers. Not you, Occam. I’d never call you a racist and I’ve certainly never seen anything that you’ve posted that is in the slightest way racist. Just the white supremacist Australian boofheads and cultural ignoramuses on this board.
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Post by pim on Jan 11, 2022 10:37:51 GMT 10
Meanwhile asylum seekers are spending 9 years waiting in detention. And on that very point …
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Post by pim on Jan 11, 2022 9:44:02 GMT 10
If the Morrison government is stupid enough to get all hairy chested and they get Alex Hawke as Immigration Minister to exercise his ministerial discretion under the Migration Act and deport Djokovic anyway notwithstanding the court’s ruling then the Government of Scotty Smirk and Mirrors will have succeeded in transforming a stuff up into a total train wreck. Congratulations in advance ScoMo! You’ll have your very own Haneef clusterfuck. From memory that shitshow ended in tears for the Howard government in an election year.
Having already shot themselves in the foot, ScoMo’s government takes careful aim at its other foot and begins to squeeze the trigger. Will they, or won’t they … ?
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Post by pim on Jan 10, 2022 4:47:09 GMT 10
We use the Gregorian calendar don’t we? That’s Pope Gregory from the 1500s. Before then our ancestors used the Julian calendar. That’s “Julian” as in Julius Caesar who regularised the way of determining months and the number of days in a year. But before then it had been a dog’s breakfast so I’m not surprised at your April Fool story. What I don’t get is why the French say “poisson d’avril” or April fish. Our word “calendar” harks back to the ancient Roman “calends” (“calendae” in Latin) which was the first day of the month. A month was divided into the calends, the nones for the 7th day of a month and the ides for the 15th. Did you ever study Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar? “Beware the Ides of March!”
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Post by pim on Jan 10, 2022 0:44:42 GMT 10
Mad Matt, you think you are a good judge of what constitutes “normal”? Mad Matt … “normal”? You Have Gotta Be Fucking Joking Come to think of it I don’t think you’ve ever posted a joke. Ever
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Post by pim on Jan 9, 2022 17:16:36 GMT 10
I don’t think it was a Home Affairs “official” who approved Jockers’ visa. It was an algorithm since these things are routinely done electronically. Sack the algorithm!
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Post by pim on Jan 9, 2022 17:11:01 GMT 10
Seriously? You’re having a lend of us Occam, right? April 1 isn’t for a while yet. I’ve been through Canadian airports within your 20 year time window and nope nobody asked me to take my shoes off.
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