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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 4, 2022 0:44:46 GMT 10
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Post by Gort on Jan 4, 2022 10:32:01 GMT 10
^^^^^^^^   OriginA series of images purportedly showing the skeletal remains of the biblical figure Goliath, along with the claim that the massive fossil had recently been unearthed in Jerusalem, gained popularity online in February 2018 The images — which show neither a Goliath skeleton nor a recent archaeological discovery — have been online in various forms for more than a decade. Each image used in the graphic above has a different origin. Goliath Skeleton  The idea of a Goliath skeleton likely originates with the infamous tabloid the Weekly World News. The tabloid published images purportedly showing the giant’s slingshot-wounded skull in their June 1993 issue and then followed that up with a series of stories about the fictional discovery, complete with quotes from made-up archaeologists. Quotes from that 24-year-old article are still used today. For instance, Daily Voice used a Weekly World News quote attributed to the (fictional) archaeologist “Dr. Richard Martin” in their in their February 2018 “Goliath” article: Archaeologist Dr. Richard Martin says: “We found the skull in the Valley of Elah, in the foothills of the Judean Mountains, where David’s battle with Goliath took place. The skull is huge and clearly belongs to a man of enormous stature.” Tests show that the skull is between 2 900 and 3 000 years old – about the right time for the biblical battle. Dr. Martin says: “This is the archaeological find of the year.” The Goliath “discovery” is neither recent nor real. Weekly World News was a sensational tabloid that frequently published outrageous claims, including the existence of “bat boy,” a half-boy, half-bat superhero. The June 1993 issue with the Goliath story also included far-fetched reports about whales trained to ram drug boats and an army of ants that ate 935 people. Giant Skull  This image originated in a 2008 hoax photograph contest called “Archaeological Anomalies 12” on the web site Worth 1000: In this contest you will create a hoax archaeological discovery, maybe Atlantis, a 2,000 year-old Coca-Cola can or a giant’s skull. Be open minded, there are many mysteries buried beneath the earth. The rules of this game are thus: You are to create an archaeological hoax. Your job is to show a picture of an archaeological discovery that looks so real, had it not appeared at Worth1000, people might have done a double take. Several people submitted manipulated images appearing to show giant skeletons. A user calling themselves “blackbook” created the image above. Giant Skeleton  This image was also created for a Worth 1000 contest, this time calling for images that play with size and perspective. The user Whitmath57 created the image. Skeleton Display  The final image shows a sculpture by the Italian artist Gino De Domonicis. The work, titled “Calamita Cosmica” (in English “Cosmic Magnet”) toured Europe before finding a home at the Museo Nazionale delle Arti del XXI Secolo in Rome, Italy. Flickr user Mauro took this particular photograph in 2007. The sculpture, aside from being gigantic, also had a unique pointy nose, a common theme in Domonicis’s work, according to Atlas Oscura:  None of the images show the skeleton of the biblical figure Goliath. We’ve investigated several “giant skeleton” photographs in the past but have yet to encounter a genuine photographic record of a giant. If you come across an image purporting to show the remains of Goliath, chances you are looking at the results of digital editing software, forced perspective, or some sort of artwork. Dan Evon Published 6 February 2018 www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-goliath-skeleton-real/ |
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Post by fat on Jan 4, 2022 16:01:30 GMT 10
OK Davids rock was considerably larger - probably baseball sized. Also, Goliath likely had six fingers on each hand.
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Post by pim on Jan 5, 2022 2:06:05 GMT 10
Knock knock noggin on heaven’s door?
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Post by matte on Jan 5, 2022 19:26:51 GMT 10
I don't believe Goliath was a "giant" like he is depicted to children. He was probably just a larger person than what was normal at the time.
Kind of like what I go through. I'm tall, even have to duck to get under some doors, can't stand straight on a train (most people eventually offer me a seat).
But back then, a tall person would have been depicted as a giant. But he was probably 6'8" or 7' tall. Who knows.
Kind of like the flood.
The Bible says the entire world was flooded. But, what does this actually mean? In my opinion, the whole world was likely just the world known to Noah, a small area.
We must apply context and common sense when reading the Bible.
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Post by matte on Jan 5, 2022 19:32:14 GMT 10
Even the creation of the world needs to be read in context. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. What rubbish.
It is a misreading.
The world was created in 6 periods, which allows for evolution.
Even the verse where it says "let there be light" could be describing the big bang.
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Post by Gort on Jan 5, 2022 19:44:09 GMT 10
Even the creation of the world needs to be read in context. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. What rubbish. It is a misreading. The world was created in 6 periods, which allows for evolution. Even the verse where it says "let there be light" could be describing the big bang. Not only is the creation story ridiculous in terms of the 6 day claims, the order of operations is complete rubbish!Notice this? : 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.How can vegetation that requires photosynthesis be in place , grasses and fruit trees ... BEFORE the Sun is in place?!!!!  |
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Post by matte on Jan 5, 2022 20:10:43 GMT 10
Because light existed before!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 1:39:38 GMT 10
Six days from where?
Mathematcally if you factor in time expansion, scientists are starting to discover that from the theoretical source of the Big Bang, only 7 days have passed.
...Though it would seem like millions of years to us. So technically both theories might be correct.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 2:09:47 GMT 10
I don't believe Goliath was a "giant" like he is depicted to children. He was probably just a larger person than what was normal at the time. Kind of like what I go through. I'm tall, even have to duck to get under some doors, can't stand straight on a train (most people eventually offer me a seat). But back then, a tall person would have been depicted as a giant. But he was probably 6'8" or 7' tall. Who knows. Kind of like the flood. The Bible says the entire world was flooded. But, what does this actually mean? In my opinion, the whole world was likely just the world known to Noah, a small area. We must apply context and common sense when reading the Bible. Then you choose to disbelieve the Bible. Samuel 17:4 is pretty clear, when it says: his height was 6 cubits and a span. Its not left to interpretation! The Bible also boasts of David and his men being 'the slayer of Giants', (plural) not just 'really tall men." It astonishes me how biblically illiterate you are Matt. It's no surprise to me how you've often been lead astray by false teachers Sidenote: The North American Indians have a tradition that speaks of six fingered giants prior to them ever encountering the white man. This correlates with the account of the Nephilim giants in Genesis 6. I don't dismiss the existence of giants outright. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 2:52:58 GMT 10
The Bible says the entire world was flooded. But, what does this actually mean? In my opinion, the whole world was likely just the world known to Noah, a small area. Then your view isn't a Christian one, in the sense that your view differs from Christ's. In Matthew 24:38-39, He compared it to the worldwide future impact of His Second Coming. He obviously believed it was real, devastating and worldwide. This is not 'local event', neither will his coming be. Also nearly every culture around the world has a tradition of a global flood. A localized flood wouldn't be able to account for this. . We must apply context and common sense when reading the Bible. I agree, but that implies that it should be read as intended, and not twisted into something more palatable or comfortable for you. You should resize the shoe to fit the foot, not resize the foot to fit the shoe. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 6:11:33 GMT 10
OK Davids rock was considerably larger - probably baseball sized. Curious. ...What are you basing this on? |
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Post by matte on Jan 6, 2022 10:05:56 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Christian.
We must read it in context.
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Post by Gort on Jan 6, 2022 10:15:41 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Atheist. We must read it and try to stifle our laughter lest we upset those who swallow all that tripe.  |
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Post by matte on Jan 6, 2022 12:12:15 GMT 10
I am sure the books of the bible were written in a literal sense, but in the context of the understanding of the prophets of the time.
The entire world flooded? Well, true, all of Noah's world. Not the earth.
David and Goliath? Yep, Goliath was likely a strongly built tall person. Not a giant. But he might have seemed like a giant to the people at the time.
The Big Bang, evolution? Well, the first book of Genesis describes this too.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 13:15:29 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Christian. We must read it in context. Yes... the Bible quite literally says that Goliath was 6 cubits and a span. This is appropriately 9 ft tall. That is in context. You are being Eisogetical. |
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Post by matte on Jan 6, 2022 13:36:06 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Christian. We must read it in context. Yes... the Bible quite literally says that Goliath was 6 cubits and a span. This is appropriately 9 ft tall. That is in context. You are being Eisogetical. Well a lot of people don't guess my height correctly. Perhaps they guessed it wrong? |
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Post by fat on Jan 6, 2022 14:49:23 GMT 10
OK Davids rock was considerably larger - probably baseball sized. Curious. ...What are you basing this on? Some 4 years ago I did research this subject for a church sermon. Sadly I cannot find the sermon or the liturgy at present. I had the references in it. I made a sling woven from rough string and with tennis ball sized stones it was pretty effective but I wasn't quite game to really let rip in a small town backyard (my lack of skill would have been dangerous). David would have trained from childhood and would have been pretty skilled (killing wolves while protecting his flock) There are pictures here of ancient slingstones: linkand linkThe Greeks and Romans cast smaller projectiles from lead - also deadly. If I find my original sermon I will post it. I even marked out a full sized outline in masking tape (like a body outline at a crime scene) on the floor in the aisle. Hmmm - that way of posting a link didn't work 2nd try www.revtimothygibson.com/israel/dictionary/sling.htmland lukechandler.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/thats-not-a-sling-stone-this-is-a-sling-stone-2/ |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 14:55:02 GMT 10
Yes... the Bible quite literally says that Goliath was 6 cubits and a span. This is appropriately 9 ft tall. That is in context. You are being Eisogetical. Well a lot of people don't guess my height correctly. Perhaps they guessed it wrong? Perhaps. Or maybe you are. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2022 14:56:44 GMT 10
Yes... the Bible quite literally says that Goliath was 6 cubits and a span. This is appropriately 9 ft tall. That is in context. You are being Eisogetical. Well a lot of people don't guess my height correctly. Perhaps they guessed it wrong? ...Are you seriously trying to tell me that you couldn't tell a six foot man from a nine foot one, at a glance?! Even without precision, I doubt that you'd be that far off. The Isrealites knew what a six foot tall person looked like. King Saul was 6 ft. Goliath was notably, nay 'remarkably' taller than he was! |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 12, 2022 2:36:40 GMT 10
Even the creation of the world needs to be read in context. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. What rubbish. It is a misreading. The world was created in 6 periods, which allows for evolution. Even the verse where it says "let there be light" could be describing the big bang. Not only is the creation story ridiculous in terms of the 6 day claims, the order of operations is complete rubbish!Notice this? : 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.How can vegetation that requires photosynthesis be in place , grasses and fruit trees ... BEFORE the Sun is in place?!!!! Vegetation only requires a source of heat\light. That doesn't necessarily have to be the sun. As for the seven days of creation: Keep in mind, at the time of the Big Bang Spacetime was compact too... Have you considered that? 😎 |
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Post by Gort on Jan 12, 2022 18:36:17 GMT 10
Reductio ad absurdum.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 13, 2022 0:56:22 GMT 10
Misapplied. Reducio ad absurdum involves characterizing an opposing argument in such a way that it seems to be ridiculous. Iow: trying to make my explanation look absurd; doesn't make your explanation look valid.😎 |
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Post by freddies ghost on Mar 4, 2022 11:07:57 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Christian. We must read it in context. that happens to be written in Hebrew and intended to be interpreted by people with Hebrew sensibilities.. As I age, Chassidis looks more and more attractive. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2022 23:19:31 GMT 10
My interpretation of the bible is totally Christian. We must read it in context. that happens to be written in Hebrew and intended to be interpreted by people with Hebrew sensibilities.. As I age, Chassidis looks more and more attractive. Agreed. So what do you think, freddy? -Do you think the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were just really tall men? |
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