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Post by Stellar on Mar 8, 2022 14:55:36 GMT 10
The rain today has been unbelievable!! Absolutely torrential! I've been in the backyard clearing the drain of vegetation from my neighbours' damn jacaranda trees. The leaves come down en masse and clump across the drain. I've braved going out once to clear it but before doing it a second time, the force of the water pouring across the yard dislodged the clump and washed it under the fence. I haven't even attempted to leave the house - not even to see what's happening in the street down at ground level. It'll probably be flooded. We've just received an SMS that Manly Dam is spilling and we might need to evacuate. Orders will be sent if that scenario eventuates. But it won't affect me because I'm part way up the hill. This is further down the street from me. These houses are right on the Manly lagoon at Nolans Reserve in North Manly.  |
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Post by Stellar on Mar 8, 2022 15:09:34 GMT 10
Roseville Bridge inundated and flooded. One of only 3 ways to leave the Northern Beaches.  My son was hoping to go home from work this arvo only to find he's now gotta work through the night because of this emergency!  |
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Post by Stellar on Mar 8, 2022 15:23:24 GMT 10
I have NEVER seen Roseville Bridge like this!!   |
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Post by caskur on Mar 8, 2022 21:10:39 GMT 10
we've had the hottest summer yet and it has been hell but your side is a state of emergency...I crave rain but not that much. Shee-it.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 9, 2022 13:38:05 GMT 10
Oh well, it's all over bar the shouting. Sunny this arvo. No water to be seen anywhere. Flooding all gone. Manly Corso was underwater but the shops themselves weren't flooded. I've walked down and was surprised not to see any devastation. Roads that were flooded are all full of cars again. That was a freak combination of high tide at the lagoon, dam spilling and torrential rains. In other words, flash flooding. But devastating for some of the those houses around the lagoon waterways that actually were flooded. The downside of having a water frontage. All water gone and only one of two shops seem to have suffered any water damage. This is Central Avenue leading to the Sydney Road Mall.  My SIL and her sister bought a house in this street. The sister still lives there. It's out near Manly Dam. Those playing fields are behind the house which can never get flooded because of the high level.  Campbell Parade, Manly Vale |
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Post by ponto on Mar 10, 2022 5:38:37 GMT 10
They should not have built Roseville Bridge on a flood plain ay...<note sarcasm...for pea brain denialist.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 10, 2022 8:20:37 GMT 10
Yeah, well Roseville and Forestville are definitely not built on floodplains. But Roseville Bridge is such a beautiful bridge 99.99% of the time. Although it would have been scary driving down onto it in that deluge. I wouldn't have attempted it. But you could only exit on the Roseville side and none of those vehicles did that. I suppose if you were in the inside lane you wouldn't have been able to.  |
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Post by caskur on Mar 10, 2022 16:14:17 GMT 10
They should not have built Roseville Bridge on a flood plain ay...<note sarcasm...for pea brain denialist. was that Trump or Morisson's fault? |
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Post by caskur on Mar 10, 2022 16:20:30 GMT 10
The biggest horror by far was the farm animals trapped by wire fences.... That sort of horror doesn't leave you I'm afraid.
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Post by ponto on Mar 11, 2022 8:59:39 GMT 10
Trump was going to pull out of climate agreements and Morrison would be there cheering that on while waving lumps of coal around.
Given the it was the conservative side of politics that orchestrated climate denial they are both responsible as are the people such as you two girls have over the years always supported conservative politics in you own way, how ever it may seem small to you, are also responsible for climate denial and the effects it is happening on people's lives now...reap what you have sown and take ownership of what you have created.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 11, 2022 9:57:42 GMT 10
This wouldn't be like China waving lumps of coal around by any chance? 3.9 billion tonnes of it!! Just let that sink in for a moment, Ponto! Your heroes are the largest coal producing and coal consuming country in the world! Seems to me this is where your anti coal ranting should be directed. But not a peep out of you.  |
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Post by caskur on Mar 11, 2022 11:52:21 GMT 10
Trump was going to pull out of climate agreements and Morrison would be there cheering that on while waving lumps of coal around. Given the it was the conservative side of politics that orchestrated climate denial they are both responsible as are the people such as you two girls have over the years always supported conservative politics in you own way, how ever it may seem small to you, are also responsible for climate denial and the effects it is happening on people's lives now...reap what you have sown and take ownership of what you have created. I like my electricity on demande and 100% reliable. I am high maintenance. There is only ONE side of politics...the wrong side. And you are on it. |
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Post by Stellar on Mar 12, 2022 10:23:37 GMT 10
Same here. No one wants to be in the same position as those South Australians when the lights went out. The oddest thing was that they were so surprised that this was happening! I don't think we can rely on renewables and solar exclusively - so realistically we'll probably have to start looking at nuclear power. We certainly have the uranium in abundance. Now all we have to do is try to avoid the same scenarios as occurred in Japan and the Ukraine. Which might not be so easy. |
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Post by fat on Mar 12, 2022 12:03:23 GMT 10
Stellar - I was in South Australia on a camping trip when the lights went out. It was not good.
No fuel, no frozen or refrigerated food no way to pay for things with eftpos. Some had generators and kept food cold and worked the bowsers but eftpos still wouldn't go.
And no internet and no mobile phones. The old phone system had a few days battery power but phone towers have only a few hours and then die. As a tourist we couldn't stay and we couldn't go.
Luckily we were in a really nice place. Streaky bay is wonderful.
There were no contingency plans for a totally predictable scenario.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 13, 2022 9:10:36 GMT 10
OMG Fat! That sounds like a holiday nightmare! How did you possibly manage without food, fuel and phones? Food going off without refrigeration? But as you say - predictable. Relying solely on renewables was always going to be risky. That's one thing you can say about coal - it's reliable.
My brother was able to switch on his generator when the floods hit his area on the Gold Coast hinterland. With his dam spilling and paddocks underwater, it was a godsend to still have power.
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Post by fat on Mar 13, 2022 11:19:45 GMT 10
We did manage - we were in a Mini-van with a small fridge and a tent. A few short drives kept it cold and we ate the perishables and then we had some fruit and cereal and long life milk.
For us it was part of the adventure but for others it would have been really bad - I really felt for the shops.
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Post by ponto on Mar 13, 2022 18:55:33 GMT 10
Like immigration its repeat the same ol' RW brainwashed narrative its all lefts fault is your side of politics.....the RW cannot be told the truth nor accept the truth about cliamte change....So again the cause was very clear with SA blackouts. And it was not due to renewable energy. One of the worst storms to hit South Australia in 50 years knocked out 22 high-voltage power pylons. The lines on those pylons carry electricity generated near Port Augusta to the rest of the state.
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Post by caskur on Mar 13, 2022 21:25:04 GMT 10
Like immigration its repeat the same ol' RW brainwashed narrative its all lefts fault is your side of politics.....the RW cannot be told the truth nor accept the truth about cliamte change....So again the cause was very clear with SA blackouts. And it was not due to renewable energy. One of the worst storms to hit South Australia in 50 years knocked out 22 high-voltage power pylons. The lines on those pylons carry electricity generated near Port Augusta to the rest of the state. Yo Mr Harpy, how come your Flood telethon only raised $25,000,000? Doesn't your side give a toss about your flood victims? Our Prem. sent you $2,000,000 less than 3 million WA people raise $67,000,000 when we have telephons.... Australia has always flooded... way before climate change was a thing... Hey, drag more immigrants in and push more natural born Aussies out to the unstable and cheap country towns... Great solution to our troubles. You're like so on the ball, you should run for federal politics eh? |
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Post by ponto on Mar 13, 2022 22:41:01 GMT 10
Like the conservative you are its repeat ad nauseum the ol' Mackellar line of there has always been floods, and when its prolonged drought its all because of fire bugs, just don't admit that the frequency of floods and droughts is increasing....due to a warming planet from greenhouse gases which has long been known it would....coz science don't know jack shit compared to you.
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Post by caskur on Mar 13, 2022 23:32:02 GMT 10
Like the conservative you are its repeat ad nauseum the ol' Mackellar line of there has always been floods, and when its prolonged drought its all because of fire bugs, just don't admit that the frequency of floods and droughts is increasing....due to a warming planet from greenhouse gases which has long been known it would....coz science don't know jack shit compared to you. That lying wench Mackellar and those rumours about floods pre daming our countryside .... tsk absolutely scandalous. |
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Post by ponto on Mar 15, 2022 7:52:35 GMT 10
Still will not admit human made climate change is increasing record breaking flood and drought climate events in Australia...keep burying your head in the sand and resort to alt right truth sneering at the science just as what the federal government contingency plan is...do nothing and leave it up to volunteers while the planet continues to warm until its becomes runaway climate change and nothing will slow it down....all over red rover for human existence.
But that's alright in your book coz you believe in a better after life rather than making life on this planet a better life for the future people.
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Post by caskur on Mar 15, 2022 11:31:12 GMT 10
The planet should warm... it is far too cold and it cost mega trillions to heat the northern hemisphere and salting roads ruins cars.
Your solution for treating global warming is wrong.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 16, 2022 8:27:36 GMT 10
Still will not admit human made climate change is increasing record breaking flood and drought climate events in Australia...keep burying your head in the sand and resort to alt right truth sneering at the science just as what the federal government contingency plan is...do nothing and leave it up to volunteers while the planet continues to warm until its becomes runaway climate change and nothing will slow it down....all over red rover for human existence. But that's alright in your book coz you believe in a better after life rather than making life on this planet a better life for the future people. Still not going to admit that China generates the most coal globally - a shocking 3.9 billion tonnes of it annually! Which is more than all the other coal producing countries of the world combined! C'mon Ponto, be consistent! Where the outrage? Or are we to assume that in your tiny biased mind there lurks the illogical belief - China, good! Australia, bad! |
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Post by Stellar on Mar 16, 2022 8:36:21 GMT 10
Like immigration its repeat the same ol' RW brainwashed narrative its all lefts fault is your side of politics.....the RW cannot be told the truth nor accept the truth about cliamte change....So again the cause was very clear with SA blackouts. And it was not due to renewable energy. One of the worst storms to hit South Australia in 50 years knocked out 22 high-voltage power pylons. The lines on those pylons carry electricity generated near Port Augusta to the rest of the state. Not so fast! The AEMO released its final report into the SA blackout and blamed wind farm settings for state-wide power failure. Overly sensitive protection mechanisms in some South Australian wind farms are to blame for the catastrophic statewide blackout in September last year, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) says. The report said the unexpected operation of the control settings resulted in the sudden loss of generation from the wind farms. When the wind farms unexpectedly reduced their output, the Heywood Interconnector from Victoria tried to make up the shortfall. About 700 milliseconds after the last wind farm powered down, the flow in the interconnector reached such a level that it activated a special protection scheme that tripped it offline. The sudden loss of power flows across the interconnector sent the frequency in the SA grid plummeting. When the wind farms unexpectedly reduced their output, the Heywood Interconnector from Victoria tried to make up the shortfall. About 700 milliseconds after the last wind farm powered down, the flow in the interconnector reached such a level that it activated a special protection scheme that tripped it offline. The sudden loss of power flows across the interconnector sent the frequency in the SA grid plummeting. South Australia has an automatic load-shedding system designed to kick-in in just such an event. But the rate of change of the frequency was so rapid, the automatic load-shedding scheme did not work. Without it, the remaining generation was much less than the connected load, and as a result, the entire system collapsed. The SA power system then became separated from the rest of the national grid. Why hasn't the entire state blacked out before?
The AEMO said unforeseen separation and complete loss of the Heywood Interconnector has occurred six times in the past 17 years. But in every other instance, the system stayed alive. "The key differentiator between the 28 September 2016 event and the other three events is that there was significantly lower inertia in SA in the most recent event, due to a lower number of on-line synchronous generators," the report said. "This resulted in a substantially faster rate of change of frequency compared to the other events, exceeding the ability of the under-frequency load-shedding scheme to arrest the frequency fall before it dropped below 47Hz." Synchronous generators include coal, gas and hydro.
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Post by caskur on Mar 16, 2022 13:00:07 GMT 10
he runs from proper challengers... he can't abide being challenge...lol Remember China's power failures recently? They should use those shitty wind turbines and finite solar panels they make.
He doesn't care, he won't be around in 2050. His theories won't be tried.
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