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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 16, 2022 23:30:43 GMT 10
Trudeau's true colors have been revealed, as Martial Law was declared in Canada early Yesterday over a peaceful protest he hadnt even had the spine to meet with over the 3 weeks it's been active.
This is representative of a party that claims to speak for the people! Well done.
And now if you disagree, or speak out against the Left Wing Dictator of Canada, you are a Domestic Terrorist you can be arrested. So says Comrade Trudeau.
What is our 'reliable' mainstream media doing in the meantime, while democracy is being stripped away? They are looking the other way.
"Move along, nothing to see here people!"
If you still trust the mainstream media, you have to be the dumbest dumb person I've ever met.
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Post by bender on Feb 16, 2022 23:49:30 GMT 10
I've got to admit, the idea of Canadian Style Martial Law is intriguing.
"Oh hey, I'm terribly sorry hey but could I ask you to stop congregating like that hey?"
Once again Spork you have gotten a little carried away. Martial Law has not been declared in Canada.
Martial Law can be summed up as shooting the looters who run and hanging the looters who don't. It involves things like arrest and detention without charge.
What the Canadian Government has done is invoke the Emergencies Act. Trudeau has not done it unilaterally, it can only be invoked by Vote in Parliament. Further to that Trudeau has not called in the Military.
What it does allow the Government to do is to prevent financial support being given (particularly by Foreign Actors) to people using that money to engage in an unlawful occupation.
As a former protestor and activist I'd ordinarily have some sympathy for you Spork.
As a Canadian Citizen and someone who doesn't subscribe to your wacky conspiracy theories I have zero sympathy for the protestors or their cause. They are wrong and they deserve to be swept off the street.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 0:12:31 GMT 10
The CoRF protects the right of speech even if/when it's inaccurate, or if you agree or disagree with it. You don't get to decide who has a voice, and who doesn't. Our Prime Minister is breaking his own laws.
And the emergencies act is Martial Law, Moron. And it was enacted so he could have the power to arrest anyone for any reason.
This is clearly government overreach; and you should be embarrassed for supporting him
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 0:57:45 GMT 10
-First he made excuses -Then he ran away and hid -And then Comrade Blackface screamed "Fascists!" and "Racists!" From the safety of his bunker. -Then he made up laws to make it inconvenient for them to protest. And uses his Gestapo to enforce them. -He makes threats from seclusion - And then he declares Martial Law. ... 3 weeks and he hasn't even spoken with the protesters, yet. ...Is this the epitome of strong Liberal leadership or the actions of a weak scared little man child trying to avoid the consequences of his actions? Actually I retract that. Those are probably one in the same.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 2:56:55 GMT 10
I agree with you 100% Mr Prime Minister! Btw Have you spoke with those truckers yet? ...No? ...huh.
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Post by bender on Feb 17, 2022 3:02:41 GMT 10
There's a very good reason not to speak with the protestors. They're nutbags.
They refuse to accept fact and logic and reason, so why on earth would they accept anything the PM says to them.
Look at the way you've compulsively exaggerated what's happening. The proof of what I am saying is in your posts.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 3:05:53 GMT 10
Yep. 'Cause only people who share your opinion deserve to be heard right, bendover?
Your coward PM has been hiding for 3 weeks. It doesn't really seem that we are the ones being unreasonable. (He also steals from charities, and gives the money to his family) Hes a stand up guy, a real role model.
What part are you claiming that I've exaggerated? You leftist love to smear without substantiation, don't you?
Why don't you just call me 'racist' and run away like the rest of your cowardly ilk
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Post by bender on Feb 17, 2022 3:20:46 GMT 10
Once again with the compulsive exaggeration Spork. Why would I call you racist?
You are sounding a little overwrought.
Let's put this into perspective.
The Protestors are not going to change their minds about the Vaccine or Vaccine Mandates etc etc are they?
And neither is the Government for turning.
So therefore there is no reason for the protestors to continue to block roads and entry points unless their sole aim is to cause economic disruption and damage. Both sides know each other's positions but only one of those sides is the lawful authority.
Canada is a democracy, have your say at the ballot box. If enough Canadians agree with you (and going by the polls they don't) you can hold Trudeau to account at the next election. If his actions are as egregious as you say, then his removal will be assured.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 3:29:05 GMT 10
So if a dictatorship happened to take office and pronounce unjust laws, you would just hand over your rights because they were the "Lawful Authority "?! -We feel these laws are unjust. The CBC and all of their affiliates are owned by the GoC. They will only show you what the PM wants you to see. And I saw the protest first hand --it is not as they say. Trudeau had a minority government when this all began. Right now, he isn't making any new friends. I don't think the election is going to pan out the way you predict. www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/02/13/2662060/half-of-canadians-say-trudeau-not-up-to-job-poll
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Post by bender on Feb 17, 2022 4:06:18 GMT 10
No Spork because if a (I'm sorry I can't repeat "if a dictatorship took office" it's just stupid so I'm just going to edit it a bit) Despotic Individual took power and then seized the organs of Government and installed a likeminded Leadership in the Canadian Armed Forces, cancelled all future elections and proclaimed themselves leader for life, then they would presumably be in contravention of the Canadian Constitution and as such they would not be the lawful authority.
That being said, Despots, Dictators etc usually aren't too concerned with lawful authority, that's why they don't have elections, because holding elections shows that a Government derives its power from the people, which in turn gives it that lawful authority.
You might feel that these laws are unjust Spork. A lot of people think that seatbelt laws are unjust, or parking tickets, or paying tax is unjust, but have a look at what you said.
You accepted that the laws are just that, the law. Obey the law and have your say at the ballot box.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 6:37:47 GMT 10
No Spork because if a (I'm sorry I can't repeat "if a dictatorship took office" it's just stupid so I'm just going to edit it a bit) Despotic Individual took power and then seized the organs of Government and installed a likeminded Leadership in the Canadian Armed Forces, cancelled all future elections and proclaimed themselves leader for life, then they would presumably be in contravention of the Canadian Constitution and as such they would not be the lawful authority. That being said, Despots, Dictators etc usually aren't too concerned with lawful authority, that's why they don't have elections, because holding elections shows that a Government derives its power from the people, which in turn gives it that lawful authority. You might feel that these laws are unjust Spork. A lot of people think that seatbelt laws are unjust, or parking tickets, or paying tax is unjust, but have a look at what you said. You accepted that the laws are just that, the law. Obey the law and have your say at the ballot box. Seatbelt laws and taxes don't segregate and divide one class of people from another. This is another apartheid. And your temporary freedoms can be revoked if you miss a single dose. You are a slave to this needle, and the worst part is, you don't even see it. These things they are "letting" you have--they were never theirs to take. There is what is legal, and what is right. Sometimes one isn't synonymous with the other. Just ask history. When we break the law we go to jail; when the government breaks the law, they change the law.
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Post by caskur on Feb 17, 2022 15:54:36 GMT 10
unjust isn't the right word... forcing a medical proceedure is a criminal action.
unjust is sacking people who refuse the criminally forced jab.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 23:57:41 GMT 10
(Toronto) Police's reaction to Trudeau and Ford's "Emergency act":
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 17, 2022 23:58:48 GMT 10
Liberal's dirty politics exposed as Federal agent found at trucker protest.
Pretty damn coincidental that the guy who was found at the center of inciting the January 6th riots was also at the center of a Canadian protest.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 18, 2022 0:49:09 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 19, 2022 0:43:03 GMT 10
Ever hear of Bill C-10, Bender?
... I wonder what interest the Canadian Liberals would have in controlling the media.... hmmmm
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Post by bender on Feb 19, 2022 18:45:53 GMT 10
No I've never heard of it, but if it's coming via you I've got to be candid and inform you that it's credibility is going to suffer.
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Post by caskur on Feb 19, 2022 19:03:48 GMT 10
Lefties are picking a war with Russia...
Biden is a psycho.
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Post by ponto on Feb 20, 2022 4:03:27 GMT 10
More alt truth minority RW creating a false narrative and frothing at the mouth believing in it....fucknuts.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 20, 2022 8:05:17 GMT 10
More alt truth minority RW creating a false narrative and frothing at the mouth believing in it....fucknuts. Well one side of the argument is begging for a robust debate; the other side is trying to censor at all costs. It's a safe bet that one side is lying. And its probable that its not the side that wants the public debate.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 20, 2022 9:32:13 GMT 10
No I've never heard of it, but if it's coming via you I've got to be candid and inform you that it's credibility is going to suffer. Maybe you should just do your own research, instead of it being spoon fed to you for a change. 😎👍 Two challenges for you: i) Learn about Martial Law, and understand that in writing it applies to ALL of Canada, not just specific areas. ii) Catch up on current government policies that apply to how information is being distributed.
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Post by ponto on Feb 20, 2022 13:16:25 GMT 10
No one is censoring the neo RW civil libertarians who want populist leadership, (populism is Orwellian Newspeak for democracy), people who believe their freedoms are at stake because of a pandemic that forces government to intervene for the greater good.
People like your self have no idea as to what freedom in a democracy actually means....to have the health care, the education and a government that will look after the interest of all its people.
As your opening title "Canada is no longer a democracy"....Clearly shows a lack of knowledge...its just mouthing the neo RW civil libertarian cause of individualism rides rough shod over everything for the common good in a democracy.
These populist protestors are privileged folk who are ignorant as to what freedom is...because they prefer to act like spoilt brats and think populists leaders like Trump are the real deal with civil liberates, problem with populist leaders like Trump is that spend too much time on the conspiracist fantasies than actual reality, which makes them poor leaders, very few can focus on reality.
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Post by bender on Feb 20, 2022 18:54:00 GMT 10
No I've never heard of it, but if it's coming via you I've got to be candid and inform you that it's credibility is going to suffer. Maybe you should just do your own research, instead of it being spoon fed to you for a change. 😎👍 Two challenges for you: i) Learn about Martial Law, and understand that in writing it applies to ALL of Canada, not just specific areas. ii) Catch up on current government policies that apply to how information is being distributed. You're the one who bought up this proposed Bill Spork. It was your argument remember, dopey? And enough of the hysterical squealing about martial law. What is occurring in Canada in relation to the Police removing protestors and dismantling their blockades does not constitute Martial Law no matter how many times you claim it does. The protestors were made up of irrational people with crazy ideas. They're not defending freedom or anything noble. They are a rabble of right wing extremists who whilst have the right to indulge personally in their wacky beliefs do not have the right to inflict their beliefs on and disrupt the lives of ordinary people. Do you get it you dolt? You want to protest, protest, complain, but when you by means of force attempt to push your beliefs on others and in doing so break the law, expect zero sympathy from me for the outcome. The protestors which you openly admit to supporting and joining with were acting illegally. Indeed the Police seem to have acted with admirable restraint. Do you realise how incredibly hypocritical your position is. You see nothing wrong with illegally disrupting the activities and lives of ordinary Canadians whilst trying to make the argument that the Government is illegally disrupting the way that you want to live. You're preventing Canadians from accessing Government Services whilst complaining that the Government is going to prevent you from accessing services if you don't get vaccinated. You're a fucking idiot. If you don't want to get vaccinated just accept that you won't be able to do all the things you want to, and go all the places you want to go. It won't kill you and you'll be able to tell yourself you were staunch. If you catch Covid then it will limit your ability to transmit it which is exactly why Governments have placed restrictions on people who choose not to be vaccinated without medical justification.
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Post by caskur on Feb 20, 2022 19:15:25 GMT 10
I just heard the covid-19 has varieted 30 times since the Wuhan outbreak on ABC 24 and that the vaccine was created for the original virus not the later varients. She also said people will need a 4th booster dose.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2022 11:39:00 GMT 10
In answering, let me be clear I agree that everything I share is not necessarily established as fact, but these are topics of appropriate discussions that SHOULD be taking place within the scientific community. As such, anyone reading this please note that I am simply providing information for consideration, as I would also like to find the actual truth.
On this specific topic, I am certainly interested in getting more reliable information. I am not trying to be a rebel or cause arguments, and in fact I may be downright wrong - to which I am very open to changing my mind given the evidence presented. That being said...
I'm pointing to the reality that legacy media (1) doesn't always present the full scope of information available, and (2) does not always provide a reliable narrative, which influences decision-making e.g. informed consent, -- and #1 and #2 may be explained by seeing who funds the news sources.
Effectively, even before the CI9 injections were rolled out, there were experts raising concerns about the risk of the jabs causing antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Simply put, this is a phenomena whereby immune response becomes reduced, and the risk of other illnesses increases as a result. This may be why some people experience the return of illness that had been dormant, like shingles, scabies, cancer, etc. It is important to note that there are many unknowns about any new illness, medication or effect of new treatment. This is why it usually takes years of research and study trials before new medications or treatments are put to use in the general population.
Everything that is happening now for the most part cannot line up with any standardized diagnostic chart that doctors use for other illnesses or adverse effects, simply because there are no standardized charts to refer to, and more alarming, it seems that data is not being collected as well as it should be (i.e. given the known failure of systems whereby (aa) it has only recently been identified as a concern that there was more attention given to whether "dying with" or "dying of" occurred, in addition to (bb) there being a barrier in good data collection as I'm fairly certain there isn't even an ICD-10 code for adverse events to be reported under, and (cc) that there are so many anecdotal reports of people being brushed off, silenced, etc when they seek medical attention, so their voices aren't even heard.)
It should be noted that Reuters actually has a conflict of interest on the topic due to the fact that at least one of its top people also sits on a board of advisors to Pfizer, and thus stand to gain in some way by bolstering use of its products.
There are some pre-existing concerns that need to be ironed out eventually as the scientific process continues through unbiased studies that need to be funded.. (ahem).
(A.) determining whether long term effects of the jabs actually do or do not cause ADE as mentioned above. If it does, the it is possible that "immune erosion" may occur, cumulatively with each "booster". That means that susceptibility to illness may occur.
(B.) The concern also includes the short or long term effects of using an "HIV envelope" as the transport mechanism of the fragile components of any vaccine, e.g. the recombinant adenovirus type-5 (Ad5) vector, which is derived from the HIV virus and used in medical research.
The science is not yet settled on these things, so what will actually occur is not entirely known yet.
The unvaccinated are the ones assuming the risk. It makes zero sense to remove rights or employment, unless it is the intention of the government to punish for non-compliance.
That is unjust.
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