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Post by matte on Oct 24, 2021 14:46:36 GMT 10
Amen.
Unlock God's supply for your everyday needs. I am unsure why people feel as if it is wrong to ask Jesus to bless them with prosperity. Because the alternative is to ask to be poor and that definitely is not what Jesus wants for us.
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Post by pim on Oct 24, 2021 17:49:16 GMT 10
Prosperity gospel lol
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Post by fat on Oct 24, 2021 23:55:12 GMT 10
A very viable life view Matte - especially if you are willing to carefully overlook Jesus example and teaching.
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Post by matte on Oct 26, 2021 19:09:09 GMT 10
A very viable life view Matte - especially if you are willing to carefully overlook Jesus example and teaching. So what are we to pray for? Pray for poverty or pray for prosperity? |
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 18:29:14 GMT 10
Pray for … forgiveness? Grace? To be a better person?
Personally I like the prayer of St Augustine who’d led a dissolute life and had enjoyed it … “Lord make me virtuous, but not yet!”
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Post by fat on Oct 28, 2021 17:14:10 GMT 10
When you pray, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Save us from the time of trial
and deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours
now and for ever. Amen.
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Post by pim on Oct 31, 2021 14:01:34 GMT 10
I was taught to say it like this as a kid:
Onze Vader, die in de hemel zijt,
uw naam worde geheiligd,
uw rijk kome,
uw wil geschiede
op aarde zoals in de hemel.
Geef ons heden ons dagelijks brood
en vergeef ons onze schulden,
zoals wij anderen hun schuld vergeven
en leid ons niet in bekoring
maar verlos ons van het kwade
Amen
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Post by pim on Oct 31, 2021 14:12:54 GMT 10
I once went to a very ancient pre-gothic Romanesque church in Aachen, Germany, because I wanted to see an exhibition of relics from the reign of Charlemagne - Aachen had been his capital - and I blundered into a Mass that was being celebrated. The entire congregation was piously intoning the Lord’s Prayer - in German of course because … go figure! There’s something deeply majestic about liturgical German being intoned by a church full of devout Germans. I was spellbound and joined in. Here’s the text in German:
Vater Unser im Himmel,
Geheiligt werde Dein Name,
Dein Reich komme,
Dein Wille geschehe,
wie im Himmel so auf Erden.
Unser tägliches Brot gib uns heute.
Und vergib uns unsere Schuld,
wie auch wir vergeben
unseren Schuldigern.
Und führe uns nicht in Versuchung,
sondern erlöse uns von dem Bösen.
Denn Dein ist das Reich und die Kraft
und die Herrlichkeit in Ewigkeit.
It’s the Protestant version. The Dutch version I posted is the Catholic version. Catholics don’t add the “for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory” bit at the end.
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Post by pim on Oct 31, 2021 14:19:38 GMT 10
This one’s very cool. It’s in the English of King Alfred the Great’s day which was 1200 years ago. The old prayer has come a long way since then which just goes to show just how ancient it is and how universal …
The Lord’s Prayer in Old English
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum; Si þin nama gehalgod
to becume þin rice
gewurþe ðin willa
on eorðan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfele soþlice
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Post by matte on Oct 31, 2021 17:19:00 GMT 10
This is the Lord's Prayer in music:
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Post by fat on Oct 31, 2021 21:01:08 GMT 10
Very nice Matte - but it seems more a performance than a prayer.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 1, 2021 5:08:31 GMT 10
Prosperity gospel is false teaching. Jesus didn't live to be rich- neither should you!
The servant is not greater than the master.
Judas pursued money, it didn't end well for him.
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Post by pim on Nov 1, 2021 10:22:40 GMT 10
I love what you just posted Occam and would add that the flip side is true as well - at least in secular terms: the master is not greater than the servant.
In Down Under terms we take it even further down the path of Crocodile Dundee irreverence: not only is Jack as good as his master, he’s probably also a darned sight better.
Which kinda explains why we down here can be ornery buggers. If you’re female you’ll get called “love” and if you’re a “bloke” (guy to you) you get called “mate”. There’s no escape. If Jesus had exercised his ministry in Sydney or Melbourne or Alice Springs the gospels would have been couched in very different terms!
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Post by matte on Nov 6, 2021 21:03:09 GMT 10
Very nice Matte - but it seems more a performance than a prayer. Of course it is a performance. But it is totally possible to worship the Lord through song. I have seen people become overwhelmed by the spirit as they sing to the Lord. Literally being overcome, collapsing on the ground. |
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Post by matte on Nov 6, 2021 21:18:30 GMT 10
OMG, listen to this child!
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Post by fat on Nov 7, 2021 18:51:47 GMT 10
OK Matte - that was beautiful.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 15, 2021 11:21:35 GMT 10
A very viable life view Matte - especially if you are willing to carefully overlook Jesus example and teaching. So what are we to pray for? Pray for poverty or pray for prosperity? Why not pray for sufficiency, and contentment for what we have?  |
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