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Post by jody on Jan 18, 2013 18:03:52 GMT 10
Slarti, you can't be unbaptised....sorry, you are a christian dear boy  |
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Post by Salem on Jan 18, 2013 19:49:05 GMT 10
Just wondering; does anyone know if there is a difference between Christening and Baptism?
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Post by jody on Jan 18, 2013 19:54:42 GMT 10
Baptism can also mean baptised in the spirit.....something that is done when you're a bit older. I never had my kids christened...they were dedicated as babies and then baptised with water when old enough to understand it. Though my son of course doesn't understand, I am his mother and make decisions etc for him.
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Post by pim on Jan 18, 2013 21:11:10 GMT 10
In traditional Christianity you become "christened" - i.e. you become a Christian - through the act of baptism. The word "baptize" is from Greek and it means to "dip" or "immerse" in water. So in languages like Dutch and German which don't tend to borrow from Greek or Latin like English does, and which have words derived from their own languages, they actually say that a child gets "dipped" when they mean "baptized". So they call John the Baptist "John the Dipper" (Johannes der Taufer).
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Post by garfield on Jan 18, 2013 22:08:09 GMT 10
Does anyone know a good tattoo removalist that can get these three sixes off me head?
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Post by jody on Jan 18, 2013 22:10:40 GMT 10
Yep, his name is Jesus Christ  |
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Post by pim on Jan 18, 2013 22:41:35 GMT 10
There is an apocryphal story about Bertrand Russell, a most famous and extremely cerebral British atheist of the mid 20th century the Christopher Hitchens of his day, which runs something like this:
As Bertrand Russell lay on his deathbed he realised that his last moments had arrived and he asked for a particular Catholic priest who had been a frequent intellectual sparring partner of his in the past. The priest, thinking that Russell was on the point of making a deathbed conversion, rushed to be at his side, bringing all the oils and potions that Catholic priests bring when administering the Last Rites.
But this was to be no deathbed conversion. When the priest arrived at Russell's bedside, Russell, summoning his last reserves of strength and willpower, raised his head from the pillow, looked the priest in the eye, declared "There ... is ... no ... God!" and fell back dead.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 18, 2013 22:52:11 GMT 10
Slarti, you can't be unbaptised....sorry, you are a christian dear boy I had no say in being christened/baptised. Is that how religion works? Try to brain-wash them before they can speak? Well, it didn't work with me. I grew up and thought for myself and discovered that the bible was a crock of rubbish and that there is no such thing as any God. The rest of you should try it. ;D |
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Post by jody on Jan 19, 2013 0:41:39 GMT 10
No thanks. I prefer the truth .
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 19, 2013 7:45:35 GMT 10
What, the bible is the truth?
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Post by jody on Jan 19, 2013 7:50:45 GMT 10
It is certainly based on truth, yes!
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 28, 2013 10:31:04 GMT 10
I see Sammy's abandoned this stupid concept.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 28, 2013 11:00:40 GMT 10
Nope.
Just feel the dead horse has been sufficiently beaten.
--I'm content to leave you with your denial.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 28, 2013 11:19:22 GMT 10
You started this dead horse and as usual, you have been blown out of the water.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 28, 2013 11:23:38 GMT 10
Your delusions are not my concern.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 28, 2013 11:28:58 GMT 10
I didn't start this dead horse topic, you did.
I am not imagining that anyone else started it.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 28, 2013 11:39:36 GMT 10
That's not the delusion I was referring to.
You are still under the mistaken belief that "responding" and "discrediting" are the same thing.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 28, 2013 11:42:17 GMT 10
Religion is the following of and believe of in a god (any god, there are soooooooooooooo many to choose from).
Us Atheists do not follow or believe in ANY god. Therefore Atheism is NOT a religion!
Is that simple enough for even you to understand?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 29, 2013 11:24:20 GMT 10
Religion is the following of and believe of in a god (any god, there are soooooooooooooo many to choose from). Then by your definition: Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism cannot be considered religions, since they don't believe in any gods either. ...But guess what? THEY ARE!!!!! ;D Maybe there is something wrong with your definition. Is that simple enough for you to understand? |
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Post by pim on Jan 29, 2013 11:51:55 GMT 10
This thread is still going??? Maaate, if atheism is a "religion", then abstinence is a sex position!  |
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 29, 2013 22:28:26 GMT 10
Religion is the following of and believe of in a god (any god, there are soooooooooooooo many to choose from). Then by your definition: Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism cannot be considered religions, since they don't believe in any gods either. ...But guess what? THEY ARE!!!!! ;D Maybe there is something wrong with your definition. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Oh dear, do I have to pull you up on facts again? Buddhists accept the existence of beings in higher realms known as devasYu-huang is the great High God of the Taoists Yuan-shih T'ien-tsun is the First Principal of the Taoists The god of Confucianism is Ti'en(Heaven), aka Shang Di (Lord on High) According to Jainism, everyone can become a God (even you and me) |
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 29, 2013 22:28:44 GMT 10
This thread is still going??? Maaate, if atheism is a "religion", then abstinence is a sex position! I wish some had abstained! ;D |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 2, 2013 1:38:03 GMT 10
This thread is still going??? Maaate, if atheism is a "religion", then abstinence is a sex position! It's a position, with sex as the subject. So yes, it is. ;D |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 2, 2013 1:47:32 GMT 10
This thread is still going??? Maaate, if atheism is a "religion", then abstinence is a sex position! I wish some had abstained! ;D Now, now slarti... I'm certain your parents did the best they could, with what they had to work with. ;D |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 2, 2013 5:29:56 GMT 10
Then by your definition: Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism cannot be considered religions, since they don't believe in any gods either. ...But guess what? THEY ARE!!!!! ;D Maybe there is something wrong with your definition. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Oh dear, do I have to pull you up on facts again? Buddhists accept the existence of beings in higher realms known as devasYu-huang is the great High God of the Taoists Yuan-shih T'ien-tsun is the First Principal of the Taoists The god of Confucianism is Ti'en(Heaven), aka Shang Di (Lord on High) According to Jainism, everyone can become a God (even you and me) Confucianism and Taoism focus exclusively on how adherents should live, they say little or nothing about supernatural issues. And yes, while a deity exists for Taoism, belief in the deity is not a requisite for becoming a Taoist, or following the Taoist religion.--That's where your definition fails. You've also misrepresented Jainism. They don't believe in a deity as such, they hold that every living thing is sacred because it is alive. As for Buddhism you are wrong also. - devas, asuras, animals, humans, hungry ghosts, hell-beings - are viewed as representations of various transient mental states, not deities.. I failed to mention that these are only a few examples of godless religions. There are literally hundreds that I haven't even mentioned yet. Read up before you make further ignorant pronouncements. |
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