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Post by caskur on May 31, 2021 21:24:00 GMT 10
tsk... rolls eyes.
You can't be taught anything new... A sign of old age.
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Post by matte on May 31, 2021 22:17:29 GMT 10
Ponto is an apologist for the Chinese Communist Party.
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Post by Gort on May 31, 2021 22:21:42 GMT 10
I must say, watching this board over the last couple of months, it has been amusing seeing the loony Leftists getting their arses kicked.
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Post by pim on May 31, 2021 23:27:27 GMT 10
Ponto is an apologist for the Chinese Communist Party. And you’re an apologist for Donald Trump, QAnon conspiracy theories, crackpot religious extremism, anti-science voodoo obscurantism, Andrew Bolt, Bronwyn Bishop, Alan Jones and the entire parade of cockroaches that infest Sky News After Dark.
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Post by ponto on Jun 1, 2021 12:47:46 GMT 10
The only arses being kicked here is the rabid RW kicking their own arses and then Gort by ScoMo Franking Credits kicking himself in the nuts all failing to see attempting to kick China's arse is a futile exercise.
With China there is much to condemn with human rights and its fishing biz that's more like piracy, and its consumption of wildlife, then there is many countries in that same bracket including Australia with human rights abuse and its treatment of the First Nation Indigenous people.
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Post by pim on Jun 1, 2021 14:04:59 GMT 10
Not forgetting Australia's own shameful record on marsupial wildlife extinction which is arguably World's Worst Practice and constitutes a wildlife holocaust, as well as environmental vandalism, Australian style, with special mention made of the ongoing destruction of the Murray/Darling system.
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Post by ponto on Jun 1, 2021 16:07:51 GMT 10
Indeed....I am just about to read a very angry book by Richard Beasley "Dead in the Water"....the Death of the Murray-Darling Basin...and all the alt RW can think about is going to war with China that isn't going to happen.
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Post by pim on Jun 2, 2021 7:26:58 GMT 10
Are we ignoring the hard truths about the most likely cause of COVID-19?Liam Mannix National Science Reporter, June 1, 2021 www.smh.com.au/national/are-we-ignoring-the-hard-truths-about-the-most-likely-cause-of-covid-19-20210601-p57x4r.html#commentsI am growing increasingly troubled by the momentum building behind the lab leak hypothesis surrounding COVID-19, which has built an enormous head of steam over the past month without any new evidence emerging. It is my strong sense, based on my reporting over the last 18 months, that the majority of Australian experts believe the evidence is strongly slanted towards the virus having emerged naturally from animals – as most other pandemics have. I double-checked this on Tuesday with leading virus scientists across Australia’s research institutes. With almost no exceptions, this was everyone’s view. If this is the case, then the coverage the lab leak theory has received is way out of whack with the actual likelihood of it happening. To be clear, we have not yet found a group of animals that unequivocally gave the virus to humans. That means we cannot say with 100 per cent certainty it jumped from animals, and we cannot say with 100 per cent certainty it did not leak out of a lab – or arrive some other way. Meanwhile, Australian officials have put the chance of the accidental lab leak causing the pandemic at 40 per cent and natural origin at 60 per cent. US intelligence agencies have arrived at a similar figure. But as far as I and other science journalists reporting on COVID-19 can tell, the majority of leading Australian virology experts are firmly of the view this virus had a natural origin. The Australasian Virology Society, Australia’s leading experts on this question, tell me while they are yet to formulate an official position: “It is likely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from an animal reservoir like many other zoonoses such as SARS and MERS.” The Australian Academy of Science declined to comment. Journalism fell into a trap with the climate crisis. By balancing the arguments of scientists and deniers early on, the media gave the public a distorted view of the expert consensus. We now live with the outcome of that coverage: less than half of Americans surveyed in 2016 believed the climate crisis was caused by human action, compared to 97 per cent of climate scientists. I worry much of the media is doing the same with the lab leak hypothesis. I worry the very scientists in Wuhan who tried to warn us, for years, about the threat posed by bat coronavirus pandemics are now being blamed.We have explored the issue in this in-depth feature www.smh.com.au/world/asia/going-viral-how-a-book-on-amazon-inspired-the-latest-covid-conspiracy-20210512-p57r6e.html and in this story www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/fringe-feasible-or-false-the-covid-19-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-gets-a-second-look-20210521-p57tts.html but I worry elsewhere the arguments are being presented as competing when one of them – the lab leak – is viewed as far less likely than the other by most experts. It does not help that the lab leak is such a compelling theory. Human brains intrinsically are designed to join dots between events, says Mathew Marques, who lectures in social psychology at La Trobe University. We struggle with uncertainty. And we like to blame people for things. Many of the zoonotic viruses that can cause pandemics are able to jump to humans via so-called wet marketsThe natural origin theory of COVID-19 says that the pandemic was both random chance, but also our fault: the climate crisis, deforestation, animal trafficking, mega-cities, air travel and intensive agriculture have all been dramatically increasing our risks of a pandemic. Fixing that will be hard and necessitates uncomfortable conversations about how we live now. Set against that, the lab leak theory is positively compelling. Scientists doing scary and dangerous experiments! A conspiracy among foreigners to cover up a lab accident! Something bad that happened to us that wasn’t our fault! And China is the perfect foil: the nation we trust the least and increasingly view as a security threat. “We’re drawn to understanding, I think, chaotic events that leave us in turmoil. Pointing the finger at people, usually powerful or not part of the in-group – and at the moment China does seem to be a political target for some in the West,” says Dr Marques. Allowing this theory to run and gain mainstream prominence may have serious real-world consequences because it distracts from a focus on reducing the human-caused risk factors that drive pandemics. “The discourse detracts from the fact that epidemiologists and veterinary pathologists and other scientists in this area have been warning governments and the community for years that a zoonotic spillover with pandemic potential was increasingly likely to occur,” says Dr Katie Woolaston, a Queensland University of Technology international wildlife law researcher. “It takes focus away from the fact that the drivers of zoonotic spillover are human-induced environmental changes, and that needs to be addressed. I am concerned that an increased belief that the virus originated in a lab further detracts from the real and urgent need to enact preventative laws and policies.” The Case for a Natural OriginThere has been plenty of ink spent in the last month on laying out the case for the lab leak hypothesis. I thought it might be valuable to spell out the other theory. Why do most experts believe COVID-19 has a natural origin? As I noted earlier, we don’t have definitive, 100 per cent proof. So it is helpful to think of this argument in probabilities. What is more likely Consider first a shortlist of viruses that have come from animals: the coronaviruses MERS and SARS, the plague, rabies, West Nile virus, HIV, Ebola, Influenza, Nipah, Zika and Yellow Fever. Burial workers in protective gear carry the remains of someone that died of Ebola in Beni, Congo in 2019.The best example we can point to of a lab leak pandemic: swirling speculation about a 1977 Russian influenza outbreak. Consider the maths: there are something like 1.67 million viruses circulating among complex life, but just 219 affect humans. If we expose ourselves to animals, it becomes a simple maths problem for viruses to solve: there are so many of them, mutating so often, that it is inevitable one will pick up the right combination of genetic changes to thrive in humans. Indeed, COVID-19 can infect a wide range of other animals; the virus itself is nearly identical to a virus isolated in bats. Samples of the virus were found at the Wuhan wet market, at or below floor level. And we are exposing ourselves to animals more and more. Some 60 per cent of new diseases to emerge in humans between 1940 and 2004 came from animals, with that proportion increasing over time. And new viruses jump into humans all the time without us knowing. Surveys find antibodies to strange bat coronaviruses in the blood of people living near bats. That’s why scientists had long warned about pandemics jumping from animals to humans, and why they were not surprised when COVID-19 arrived (coronaviruses, for reasons we don’t yet understand, seem particularly prone to jump). “We have been monitoring these coronaviruses. They’ve been jumping species boundaries,” Professor Edward Holmes from the University of Sydney told me last year. “We knew this was going to happen.” Readers’ CommentsThe Ranter Great to see this story. I only recently subscribed and this is why - dismay at the general cycle of what passes for news. To my mind Liam there is also concern beyond media unintentionally being misleading through attempting to be balanced. There is also the old temptation to sensationalise present, and the motivation to run the story because it will draw clicks. As you say simplified narratives are attractive. We talk about populist politics - is there a term for populist media coverage? Ernie's Milkcart Liam everyone loves a good conspiracy. Look how quickly we believed Iraq was covered in underground weapons laboratories the fables "weapons of mass destruction". What concerns me about the china conspiracy theorists is how they jumped on extracts from a range of sources (including ironically a fictional conspiracy around Americans introducing laboratory created zoonotic viruses into China but just reversing the names of the parties) as proof to justify what exactly. The two key options are: 1. The reason so many of our people died is not our response but the clever nature of a scientist created agent; or 2. Justification for conflict. Clearly these are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by ponto on Jun 2, 2021 7:45:33 GMT 10
How refreshing it is to see truth in journalism with Liam Mannix's newsletter with so much don't let truth get in the way of a good story journalism out there, as with the distorted reporting on climate change all proving yet again that the RW are nothing more than dangerous fucking wankers.
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Post by caskur on Jun 2, 2021 12:21:51 GMT 10
The Americans WERE funding the Wuhan LAB and helping the experiments on the SARS virus. The Chinese did NOT have the technology to alter virus dna but the yanks DID and the yanks taught them how to do it Watch the video you foolish mutants. ffs!~
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Post by Stellar on Jun 2, 2021 13:10:19 GMT 10
This is really concerning ... China Discussed Weaponising Coronaviruses Before Pandemic, Predicted WW3 With Bio-weapons Describing SARS coronaviruses as heralding a “new era of genetic weapons”, China's scientists claimed the viruses could be “artificially manipulated" documents obtained by the US State Department reportedly reveal. As per the documents, Chinese military scientists discussed the weaponisation of SARS coronaviruses five years before the COVID-19 pandemic originated and spread to various parts of the world. Outlining their ideas, top scientists predicted that these coronaviruses could be used to fight the third world war. The papers obtained by the US officials were reportedly written by military scientists and senior Chinese public health officials in 2015, The Australian reported adding that it was a part of their own investigation into the origins of COVID-19. The new details once again raise questions over China's role in the spread of coronavirus with major concerns about China's transparency on the origins of COVID-19. Describing SARS coronaviruses as heralding a “new era of genetic weapons”, the Chinese scientists claimed the viruses could be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”. The military document titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons reveal the Chinese military's plans with regards to bioweapons. Further, the Chinese language documents claim that a bioweapon attack could cause the "enemy's medical system to collapse". It reads: "Following developments in other scientific fields, there have been major advances in the delivery of biological agents. For example, the new-found ability to freeze-dry micro-organisms has made it possible to store biological agents and aerosolise them during attacks." www.republicworld.com/world-news/china/china-discussed-weaponising-coronaviruses-before-pandemic-predicted-ww3-with-bi
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Post by ponto on Jun 2, 2021 13:52:04 GMT 10
All countries with labs including Australia have discussed the possibility weaponizing corona viruses...and its no secret, discussion isn't proof but the RW will manufacture a story out of it.
China has funded science research with Australian universities, research is often joint exercises, neither of the above post is proof of anything it is assumption, a RW beat up to validate Trump.
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 18:41:56 GMT 10
Anthony Fauci has a lot to answer for:
'Gain-of-Function Godfather': Bombshell emails link Dr Fauci to Wuhan lab leak theory
3 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Sharri Markson says Anthony Fauci is considered "the Godfather" of Gain-of-Function research after she uncovered a 2012 scientific paper of his that said the benefits of the research were worth the risk of a pandemic.
Top US Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci was informed in Feb 2020, COVID-19 exhibited characteristics that suggested it could have been genetically altered in a lab, according to bombshell emails published.
"It is an extraordinary acknowledgement; it is incomprehensible for a public health official, charged with protecting public health to take this position, but that's what he has done," she said.
"These emails show that in the very early stages of the pandemic - in early 2020 - he became concerned that the finding for gain-of-function research in the US had flown to Wuhan.
"And we see there's a flurry of emails where he's trying to find out whether he could be responsible or whether the NIH could be responsible for funding the research that might have created the virus that has leaked."
Ms Markson said it was "a real possibility" American funding under Anthony Fauci "funded a virus that might have leaked that has resulted in this global pandemic".
"This is why we've seen such a cover-up from people like Anthony Fauci," she said.
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Post by pim on Jun 3, 2021 19:44:21 GMT 10
And the gaslighting of Dr Fauci by the paranoid Trumpistas proceeds apace.
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Post by caskur on Jun 3, 2021 19:56:19 GMT 10
Anthony Fauci has a lot to answer for: 'Gain-of-Function Godfather': Bombshell emails link Dr Fauci to Wuhan lab leak theory3 JUNE 2021 SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA Sky News host Sharri Markson says Anthony Fauci is considered "the Godfather" of Gain-of-Function research after she uncovered a 2012 scientific paper of his that said the benefits of the research were worth the risk of a pandemic. Top US Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci was informed in Feb 2020, COVID-19 exhibited characteristics that suggested it could have been genetically altered in a lab, according to bombshell emails published. "It is an extraordinary acknowledgement; it is incomprehensible for a public health official, charged with protecting public health to take this position, but that's what he has done," she said. "These emails show that in the very early stages of the pandemic - in early 2020 - he became concerned that the finding for gain-of-function research in the US had flown to Wuhan. "And we see there's a flurry of emails where he's trying to find out whether he could be responsible or whether the NIH could be responsible for funding the research that might have created the virus that has leaked." Ms Markson said it was "a real possibility" American funding under Anthony Fauci "funded a virus that might have leaked that has resulted in this global pandemic". "This is why we've seen such a cover-up from people like Anthony Fauci," she said. Fancy giving the Chinese bio-weapons. That is equally as stupid if not more so, than giving China a port in Australia and letting them play war games in our outback.
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Post by pim on Jun 3, 2021 20:20:46 GMT 10
Fancy giving the Chinese bio-weapons. That is equally as stupid if not more so, than giving China a port in Australia and letting them play war games in our outback. Change “than” to “as” and at least you’ll have the grammar right. As for the rest ...
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Post by caskur on Jun 3, 2021 20:35:57 GMT 10
Fancy giving the Chinese bio-weapons. That is equally as stupid if not more so, than giving China a port in Australia and letting them play war games in our outback. Change “than” to “as” and at least you’ll have the grammar right. As for the rest ... You are a grammar Nazi.... I prefer than.... but whateva!!!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 3, 2021 21:09:21 GMT 10
I tried to tell you all from the very beginning:
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Post by ponto on Jun 3, 2021 22:52:38 GMT 10
And more alt right Trumpism that the American funding to Wuhan lab created Covid 19 is a theory that has been disproven...when one bothers to check conspiracy theories..
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Post by caskur on Jun 4, 2021 0:45:49 GMT 10
And more alt right Trumpism that the American funding to Wuhan lab created Covid 19 is a theory that has been disproven...when one bothers to check conspiracy theories.. Who "disprove it"? Fauci admitted funding the Wuhan lab but they (Americans) had stopped funding them now if you actually listened carefully to the Youtube I posted. The Chinese were working their evil virus manipulation way before Trump came in the picture. What is it with you and your failure to acknowledge the confessions when they smack you in your chops?
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Post by caskur on Jun 4, 2021 0:48:16 GMT 10
I tried to tell you all from the very beginning: Tell us what? You don't even think this virus is either deadly or dangerous... doh!!!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 5:35:17 GMT 10
And more alt right Trumpism that the American funding to Wuhan lab created Covid 19 is a theory that has been disproven...when one bothers to check conspiracy theories.. Has it? Reference please? Just because it's alt right doesn't make it invalid. But you alt-left enjoy going to extremes with your cancel culture, don't you? Just because you find something distasteful, that doesn't mean that it's untrue.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 5:38:05 GMT 10
I tried to tell you all from the very beginning: Tell us what? You don't even think this virus is either deadly or dangerous... doh!!! ...As compared to what? Aids, Cancer, ALS, H1N1, SARS, MERS, West Nile, Lyme? Why does Covid merit special medical , media, and political attention? As to your question: I mentioned the Wuhan lab back in January. You guys are just starting to catch up. Keep digging!
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Post by ponto on Jun 4, 2021 7:19:09 GMT 10
Round and round it spins in the alt right mind hanging on to the same ol' conspiracy theories...I hope you get Covid Occam.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 8:15:11 GMT 10
Round and round it spins in the alt right mind hanging on to the same ol' conspiracy theories...I hope you get Covid Occam. I'm still waiting for your evidence that invalidates that Covid came from the Wuhan lab? Or are you just all bluster with no substance? I hope you continue to enjoy the government-mandated Orwellian mind control that is the mainstream narrative.😁 I'll just keep thinking for myself tyvm.
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