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Post by ponto on Sept 2, 2021 8:25:47 GMT 10
So where is the irrefutable evidence from the Yan women...oh that's right she is under alleged death threats.
How conspiraicies start...people cannot accept the truth in their minds and so will fall for the false evidence that convinces them of theories.
Comparison would be as I recall arguing with the RW who were convinced Saddam had WMD they couldn't be convinced that he did not, when war was over and no WMD were found it was Oh he must of shipped them off to another country, Syria from memory.
Science can be bought, science also has to pass peer review for credibility, which makes for honesty....another comparison is those RW scientist claim climate change is a hoax...or at least not from human activities, it doesn't pass majority peer review, in fact 99% of peers.
Now in your minds eye because one claimed epidemiologist says she has the evidence covid was manufactured in a lab so there's your proof...connect the dots and use your brain you say...albeit she has not provided any proof as no one else has, the majority consensus is still the virus was a natural source...cracking the code to make biological weapons remains theoretically possible in science but damn well near impossible to create.
And just because Wuhan lab was studying viruses does not conclude the scientist there were manufacturing viruses, there were many scientist working there and saw nothing secret happening...they were openly posting there findings and results.
None the less you will be unconvinced by anything I say...so that's it from me...over and out.
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Post by caskur on Sept 2, 2021 9:35:09 GMT 10
Hassein did have weapons of mass destruction just not the stockpiles of WMD and you can blame Australian UN weapons inspector Richard Butler touring the USA and the UK telling EVERYONE who would listen, Iraq had WMD.
So don't fucking start because I have the memory of an elephant...
And "scientists" are not any wizer about the subject coronavirus than you or I.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 2, 2021 11:18:12 GMT 10
So where is the irrefutable evidence from the Yan women...oh that's right she is under alleged death threats. How conspiraicies start...people cannot accept the truth in their minds and so will fall for the false evidence that convinces them of theories. Comparison would be as I recall arguing with the RW who were convinced Saddam had WMD they couldn't be convinced that he did not, when war was over and no WMD were found it was Oh he must of shipped them off to another country, Syria from memory. Science can be bought, science also has to pass peer review for credibility, which makes for honesty....another comparison is those RW scientist claim climate change is a hoax...or at least not from human activities, it doesn't pass majority peer review, in fact 99% of peers. Now in your minds eye because one claimed epidemiologist says she has the evidence covid was manufactured in a lab so there's your proof...connect the dots and use your brain you say...albeit she has not provided any proof as no one else has, the majority consensus is still the virus was a natural source...cracking the code to make biological weapons remains theoretically possible in science but damn well near impossible to create. And just because Wuhan lab was studying viruses does not conclude the scientist there were manufacturing viruses, there were many scientist working there and saw nothing secret happening...they were openly posting there findings and results. None the less you will be unconvinced by anything I say...so that's it from me...over and out. ...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 3, 2021 8:30:10 GMT 10
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Post by matte on Oct 5, 2021 15:53:30 GMT 10
A total cover-up by the CCP. China PCR test orders soared before first confirmed COVID caseReport on government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases from May 2019BY MASAYA KATO, Nikkei October 5, 2021 NIKKEI ASIA TOKYO -- Purchases of PCR tests in China's Hubei Province surged months before the first official reports of a novel coronavirus case there, according to a report by Australia-based cybersecurity company Internet 2.0. About 67.4 million yuan ($10.5 million at current rates) was spent on PCR tests in Hubei during 2019, nearly double the 2018 total, with the upswing starting in May, according to the report. Internet 2.0 collected and analyzed data from a website that aggregates information on public procurement bids in China. The analysis team consists of former officials from intelligence agencies in the U.S., the U.K., Australia, and other countries. The report casts further doubt on China's official line about the origins of the virus, a topic that has fueled tensions between Beijing and Washington. China's foreign ministry has disputed the report's findings. FULL STORY: asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-PCR-test-orders-soared-before-first-confirmed-COVID-case
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Post by ponto on Oct 5, 2021 17:27:55 GMT 10
You should fact check before posting false conspiracy claims... Origin Snopes is still fighting an “infodemic” of rumors and misinformation surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic, and you can help. Find out what we’ve learned and how to inoculate yourself against COVID-19 misinformation. Read the latest fact checks about the vaccines. Submit any questionable rumors and “advice” you encounter. Become a Founding Member to help us hire more fact-checkers. And, please, follow the CDC or WHO for guidance on protecting your community from the disease. An image shared on social media in September 2020 purported to reveal that international trade data showed dozens of nations bought COVID-19 testing and diagnostic materials more than two years before the coronavirus pandemic was declared and SARS-CoV-2, the responsible virus, was first identified. The above image was shared to Facebook and Twitter in the first week of September 2020. The screenshots came as conspiracy theories surrounding the origin and severity of the coronavirus proved particularly contagious in 2020. A number of far-fetched COVID-19 misinformation campaigns were shared extensively across the internet, from claims that erroneously argued that SARS-CoV-2 was a man-made bioweapon created in a lab to social media users who falsely pushed the idea that the disease was spread by 5G towers. One user on Twitter posited, for example, that the reported data was “more proof” that the COVID-19 pandemic was “planned and orchestrated.” The tweet went on to argue that dozens of countries preemptively ordered COVID-19 tests “back in 2018 when [the virus] didn’t exist.” This claim is false, although it is based on a screen capture of real data published in the World Integrated Trade Solution (WITS), a software program provided by the World Bank that allows users access to an international trade database that tracks trade between countries. WITS is a joint initiative between the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, and several other leading intergovernmental organizations that tracks the import and export of various goods — including medical supplies and equipment — using the Harmonized Commodity Description and Coding System, referred to simply as HS codes. Before the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, health-related products were tracked in the database under more technical terms as part of the sixth edition of the HS nomenclature first published in 2017 and employed by more than 200 countries in 2020. In April, the World Customs Organization (WCO) followed in the footsteps of the World Health Organization to create a list of HS codes that allowed countries to track the movement of “critical products” related to COVID-19. Each of the numerical codes referenced in the screenshots was in existence in 2017 and still in use in 2020, according to WCO Communications Officer Laure Tempier. The June 2020 version of the code list included dozens of specific medical devices used to diagnose or treat COVID, such as ventilators and hand sanitizers, which existed and were tracked under WITS before the COVID-19 outbreak. For instance, items coded under 9027.80 are specific to a medical device called a colorimetric carbon dioxide detector that helps medical professionals determine if a patient is correctly connected to a ventilator. Under the revamped 2020 classification system, this item was considered a part of those categorized as “COVID-19 Diagnostic Testinstruments and apparatus.” “The short answer is that these products have had other uses for many years but have become COVID-19 specific [in 2020],” wrote Tempier in an email to Snopes. “These products are medical devices that have long had many other uses but have assumed particular importance because of COVID-19, and have been classified by the WCO as COVID-19 products to facilitate better tracking.” In short, the screenshot in question is authentic but was misinterpreted or misrepresented by social media users to further conspiracy theories about the origin of the disease. In response to the viral images, the World Bank issued a statement noting that the goal of the April and June updates was to “put information about key COVID-related medical supplies in one easy-to-find place.” “However, in light of misinterpretations that have occurred in recent days, the labeling in the WITS site has been updated to reflect the reality: COVID-19 tests did not exist before 2020,” wrote the WHO, adding that an update provided in early September 2020 correctly labeled COVID-19 test kits as medical tests and had made similar clarifying adjustments in other places. An archived version of the WITS website saved on Sept. 4 clearly included “COVID-19” in the product description column and continued to do so for the following two days. The change to “medical” was put into place on Sept. 7. At the time of writing, the main database retained all of the original descriptions and labels that existed before the 2020 outbreak. All that has changed is the way in which they are labeled to the public. Full definitions and descriptions of traded goods classified under the HS system can be found on the WITS website. A side-by-side comparison of the widely circulated screenshot (left) and one of the report as it appeared at the time of writing (right), which is archived here for reference, showed where the word “medical” had replaced “COVID-19” in the updated version. In its new form, the WITS website included the following statement: “The data here track previously existing medical devices that are now classified by the World Customs Organization as critical to tackling COVID-19.” Tempier added that the WCO classification system is not necessarily “critical to tackling the pandemic.” Rather, it is a “key tool to support countries in identifying and ensuring that goods, which are essential in the fight against the virus, were cleared through borders as swiftly as possible.” On Feb. 11, 2020, the WHO officially named the severe respiratory disease caused by SARS-CoV-2. COVID-19 is an abbreviation for coronavirus disease 2019. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “CO” stands for corona, “VI” for “virus” and “D” for “disease.” The “19” in the name refers to the year that SARS-CoV-2 was first observed in humans, noted WHO. The disease was previously referred to as 2019-nCoV, which stood for 2019 novel coronavirus. Madison Dapcevich Published 11 September 2020
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Post by ponto on Oct 5, 2021 17:52:32 GMT 10
So lets call these conspiracist out as extremists agitating trouble.
Matte with Wuhan lab theories and Occam with his covid theories, or climate denying theories...these people hold extreme opinions much like fundamentalist Muslims spreading misinformation just to stir the pot.
In short RW fucknuts are extremist.
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Post by Gort on Oct 5, 2021 22:05:13 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 5, 2021 23:08:06 GMT 10
So lets call these conspiracist out as extremists agitating trouble. Matte with Wuhan lab theories and Occam with his covid theories, or climate denying theories...these people hold extreme opinions much like fundamentalist Muslims spreading misinformation just to stir the pot. In short RW fucknuts are extremist. Vaccine passports and the suppression of free speech were once thought to be "conspiracy theories" too, yet here we are... Just wait until the other shoe drops and you find out Covid was a scapegoat to cover for the huge debt bubble and economic collapse. Just another "conspiracy theory " I have, set in reality. And if the Wuhan lab leak were such a 'crazy theory' why would the US President invest more money in revisiting it in 2021? The media's mind control experiment is very effective on you, Ponto. Just let them tell you what to believe, 'cause thinking is hard. For me, better an extremist than a gullible weak-kneed leftist pushover who can be frightened into surrendering his freedoms! I'm sure history will thank you for your cowardice, when we have no freedoms left. ...but at least you didn't catch Covid.
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Post by ponto on Oct 6, 2021 2:42:05 GMT 10
Rubbish....said before if you think covid is a conspiracy hoax then catch covid....as you think you have an 80% chance of being immune.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 6, 2021 3:47:33 GMT 10
Rubbish....said before if you think covid is a conspiracy hoax then catch covid....as you think you have an 80% chance of being immune. If it were so infectious, I kinda feel like I would have gotten it by now. Anyway. .It's a wasted life to fear things that may never happen. And besides, Joe Rogan seemed to survive it without needing the vaccine. Much to your chagrin
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Post by pim on Oct 6, 2021 7:53:53 GMT 10
People survived the Black Death. The bacillus Yersinia pestis didn’t kill everyone it infected. Some people actually recovered. It even abated as the population was culled by a third and the surviving two thirds developed herd immunity. It’d lay dormant for a generation as a new cohort of people was born and grew up and then Yersinia pestis would roar back and feast on a new crop of humans with no natural immunity. Happened again and again throughout history apparently from the reign of the Byzantine emperor Justinian in the 500s AD when it weakened the Roman Empire such that it ceased being the superpower of the ancient world, through the Middle Ages when it caused such an economic crisis that it effectively ended the feudal system in places like England and France through to the modern world. They called it the ring of roses. What killed off Yersinia pestis was modern medicine. Before the development of modern medical science people “lived with” Yersinia pestis but only because they had no other choice. It was a regular visitor down through the centuries. Have you heard of the Oberammergau passion play in Germany? It’s performed every ten years. The entire town is involved and this has been going on since the year 1634. The story is that Yersinia pestis was on one of its regular visits and partying like there was no tomorrow, ravaging the German countryside and spreading south. The town of Oberammergau is in the Bavarian Alps and they swore an oath to God that if He spared them from the plague they would perform a re-enactment of Christ’s crucifixion every ten years. The plague did pass them by (they were probably furiously practising social distancing and I’m sure that would have helped, but they weren’t to know that) and the Oberammergau Passion Play was born. It’s been performed every ten years ever since. Next performance is a year from now. It’s quite a show apparently. The town is the setting so it’s performed in the open air. They make their own costumes, the men grow beards … it’s a tourism “must see”!
While I applaud the piety I can’t help wondering what the people of the 1600s wouldn’t have given for a good old antibiotic.
As a PS I wish I could tell you how Oberammergau is doing with Covid-19 but I don’t know! Maybe they’ll put on a Nativity Play. Or will they settle for Pfizer!
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Post by ponto on Oct 6, 2021 8:29:46 GMT 10
Disease has always been a factor in existence for all life,...a healthy environment most things live a healthyn life, when the environment becomes unhealthy then disease breaks out.
The Jews and Muslims of old wouldn't eat pig because pigs were prone to swine diseases, so they banned the eating of pigs, though in their law its because they don't chew the cud, then came meat inspectors who could recognise swine diseases in carcasses, and became safe to eat.
Here in Australia Hendra virus originated in bats then transposed to horses and it killed a number of people so safe guards were in placed to stop Hendra from spreading.
In short disease and animals has always been a factor in life.
So humans have learnt to vaccinate, whether yellow fever, small pox, flu or having vaccines for snake and spider bites...getting jabbed is part of life.
Sars, ebola etc etc all all derived from animals and wet markets notorious for spawning such disease and the most likely source where Covid-19 derived from, as explained before to change nucleotide sequences to create a new virus is nigh impossible, and it took 10 years to find the source of Sars.
It is the conspiracist who proclain it definetly came from a Lab.
A friend of mine announced at a social gathering after he watched a youtube video of claimed scientists stated the virus came from the lab because it has no DNA....I corrected him and said everything organic has genome sequencing DNA or RNA ( DNA uses the sugar deoxyribose, while RNA uses the sugar ribose). whether that be a virus, snot, hair, finger nails, or an ant...all have building blocks of one or the other or both.
Basically Covid viruses are single strand nucleotides of RNA, that attach to cell receptors and when duplicating quickly transpose to DNA to release more of the virus..none the less he wasn't convinced the evidence from the video was real to him.
And such as it goes neither would you be convinced that Covid is nothing more than a mild flu that no one dies from and came from a lab.
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Post by Stellar on Oct 6, 2021 10:24:20 GMT 10
People survived the Black Death. The bacillus Yersinia pestis didn’t kill everyone it infected. Some people actually recovered. It even abated as the population was culled by a third and the surviving two thirds developed herd immunity. It’d lay dormant for a generation as a new cohort of people was born and grew up and then Yersinia pestis would roar back and feast on a new crop of humans with no natural immunity. Happened again and again throughout history apparently from the reign of the Byzantine emperor Justinian in the 500s AD when it weakened the Roman Empire such that it ceased being the superpower of the ancient world, through the Middle Ages when it caused such an economic crisis that it effectively ended the feudal system in places like England and France through to the modern world. They called it the ring of roses. They called it the ring of roses .... interestingly, this is the name of the nursery song - Ring-a-ring-a-rosies which tells the horrible story of the plague. The rosies refers to the rosy red purply rashes - the first sign the person had the plague. The pocket full of posies refers to the posies of flowers people carried in their pockets thinking they would ward off the disease. A-tishoo! a-tishoo! we all fall down - it was an extremely virilent pneumonic disease so people coughed and sneezed ... and we all fall down - obviously dead. Have you read the book, The Year of Wonders by Geraldine Brooks? It's a beautifully told story of the Great Plague of 1666. It relates the story of the village of Eyam in Derbyshire England, known as the village of the damned. The villagers, encouraged by the local vicar, elected to quarantine themselves in a heroic attempt to prevent the spread of the plague to nearby villages of Sheffield and Bakewell. It all started when a bale of cloth, infected with the fleas carrying the plague, was delivered to their village from London where the plague had already killed thousands. After many of the villagers started dying, the rector William Mompessom with assistance from the previous rector, convinced the villagers that they should quarantine themselves to save the wider communities. The villagers heroically elected to do this. The Earl of Devonshire who lived nearby at Chatsworth had offered to send food and supplies to the villagers if they agreed to be quarantined. Supplies were left at the Boundary Stone - beyond which no villagers passed and no visitors entered. Also villagers left coins in vinegar for certain items they wished to purchase. If you haven't read the book, you should as it's so beautifully written by Brooks who was a foreign correspondent for the Wall Street Journal and who covered many of the wars in the Middle East. She also won the Pulitzer Prize. When we first went into isolation last year, I went looking for that book I'd kept for 20 years. I knew I would want to read it again. The boundary stone in Eyam ...
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Post by pim on Oct 6, 2021 10:51:57 GMT 10
You’re right Stellar and thanks for reminding me of Eyam.I just bought an online version for $12.99. It’ll go on my list. I’m currently reading Peril by Bob Woodward which Bender had posted about.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 6, 2021 11:18:25 GMT 10
The vaccines don't work. In Colorado people are still dying from Covid in hospital care even though the state boasts of a 99.8% vaccination rate.
So these deaths can't be blamed on the 1% unvaccinated, its illogical.
Big Pharma won't admit their failure though, because it would cost them billions
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Post by ponto on Oct 6, 2021 13:10:21 GMT 10
See the above post is extreme thinking....take one small end of the scale and make it something bigger, ignoring the bigger scale of the many lives covid vaccine has saved....and round and round it goes.
Such is what the RW produce.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 6, 2021 13:15:46 GMT 10
See the above post is extreme thinking....take one small end of the scale and make it something bigger, ignoring the bigger scale of the many lives covid vaccine has saved....and round and round it goes. Such is what the RW produce. How do you know the vaccine has saved lives, Ponto? ...Did Big Pharma tell you that? 'Cause that would be a blatant begging of the question. A lion doesn't lose sleep, over the opinions of sheep.
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Post by Gort on Oct 6, 2021 14:45:14 GMT 10
The vaccines don't work. In Colorado people are still dying from Covid in hospital care even though the state boasts of a 99.8% vaccination rate. So these deaths can't be blamed on the 1% unvaccinated, its illogical. Big Pharma won't admit their failure though, because it would cost them billions You can still get COVID even when fully vaccinated, but the vast majority who get it are unvaccinated or have had only the first dose ... In Victoria at the moment :
525 people were in Victorian hospitals with COVID-19. Of those, 94 were in intensive care and 53 on a ventilator.
Mr Foley said 66 per cent of those in hospital were unvaccinated, 28 per cent were partially vaccinated, and 6 per cent were fully vaccinated.
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Post by caskur on Oct 6, 2021 15:48:20 GMT 10
People survived the Black Death. The bacillus Yersinia pestis didn’t kill everyone it infected. There were TWO plagues that wiped out 2/3 of Europe every 50 years... the Black Plague (bacterial) as you said, and the Pneumonic Plague.
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Post by ponto on Oct 6, 2021 16:42:13 GMT 10
Round and round it goes Covid is big pharma conspiracy inspired by the CCP..
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 6, 2021 21:01:27 GMT 10
Round and round it goes Covid is big pharma conspiracy inspired by the CCP.. No Ponto... Big Pharma is a reputable friend, with a fantastic track record, who's only interest is to help people. Also the mainstream media serves as a reliable source that hasn't censored or lied to you at all in the past year. Also... I am selling my Igloo in the tropics, I was wondering if you'd be interested in buying it. I'll give you a really generous discount.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 6, 2021 21:06:50 GMT 10
The vaccines don't work. In Colorado people are still dying from Covid in hospital care even though the state boasts of a 99.8% vaccination rate. So these deaths can't be blamed on the 1% unvaccinated, its illogical. Big Pharma won't admit their failure though, because it would cost them billions You can still get COVID even when fully vaccinated, but the vast majority who get it are unvaccinated or have had only the first dose ... In Victoria at the moment :
525 people were in Victorian hospitals with COVID-19. Of those, 94 were in intensive care and 53 on a ventilator.
Mr Foley said 66 per cent of those in hospital were unvaccinated, 28 per cent were partially vaccinated, and 6 per cent were fully vaccinated.These numbers don't serve to show the effectiveness of the vaccine; only the ratio of the hospitals patients. Presumably I could say that I have a ring that keeps away vampires, and so far its proven to be 100% effective. Put a suffix behind my name and I would have scientific clout. It has to be true, cause..."Science".
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Post by ponto on Oct 7, 2021 9:01:35 GMT 10
There is no purpose to your misinformation post other than to agitate dissent...getting people angry is the motive. Basically its acting with evil intent...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 7, 2021 10:22:31 GMT 10
There is no purpose to your misinformation post other than to agitate dissent...getting people angry is the motive. Basically its acting with evil intent... There is nothing wrong in seeking sufficient reason. I'm just not seeing any, and none has been provided.
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