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Post by matte on Mar 5, 2021 14:22:46 GMT 10
I think this is fair enough. Most other news services in the United States are pro-Biden. Fox News will be 'loyal opposition' against Biden, Fox CEO saysBy Dylan Byers 5 March 2021 NBC NEWS Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch said Thursday it is the job of Fox News to serve as the opposition to the Biden administration, stating clearly the political biases of a network that until 2017 billed itself as "fair and balanced." Speaking at a Morgan Stanley investor conference, Murdoch said Fox News stood to benefit from Biden's presidency because the network would act as "the loyal opposition" to his administration. "The main beneficiary of the Trump administration from a ratings point of view was MSNBC... and that’s because they were the loyal opposition," Murdoch said of the rival cable network. "That’s what our job is now with the Biden administration, and you’ll see our ratings really improve from here." Full Story: www.nbcnews.com/media/fox-news-will-loyal-opposition-biden-fox-ceo-says-rcna355?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
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Post by pim on Mar 5, 2021 16:42:32 GMT 10
I think this is fair enough. Most other news services in the United States are pro-Biden. You're wrong. Most news organisations that aren't Fox would see themselves as professional news organisations of service and record. Fox is being disingenuous which is a polite way of saying they're lying through their teeth. To be partisan is not the role of an outfit that calls itself a "news" organisation. If they're openly partisan then they're no longer a "news" organisation but a political party. "Loyal opposition" indeed! <snorts derisively>
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Post by matte on Mar 5, 2021 22:17:44 GMT 10
MSNBC and CNN were so very unfair to Donald Trump while he was President. They had it out for him even before he was elected. They wanted him impeached before he even signed his first executive order.
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Post by pim on Mar 5, 2021 22:30:04 GMT 10
Do you mean they had it in for him? Just checking ...
No, they reported the news and it’s not their fault if the news was bad. If he declared that the earth is flat and they said no it’s round does that make them “anti Trump”? If he said that smoking is good for you and they reported it, with commentary from respected health professionals detailing how smoking can kill you, are they being professional journalists or are they the enemies of the people? If Trump made unsubstantiated claims on zero evidence and they countered with the facts does that make them media professionals of service and record, or purveyors of fake news?
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Post by ponto on Mar 6, 2021 7:53:11 GMT 10
A Trump supporter is only convinced by Trump lies...
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Post by matte on Mar 6, 2021 18:54:11 GMT 10
Do you mean they had it in for him? Just checking ... No, they reported the news and it’s not their fault if the news was bad. If he declared that the earth is flat and they said no it’s round does that make them “anti Trump”? If he said that smoking is good for you and they reported it, with commentary from respected health professionals detailing how smoking can kill you, are they being professional journalists or are they the enemies of the people? If Trump made unsubstantiated claims on zero evidence and they countered with the facts does that make them media professionals of service and record, or purveyors of fake news? Yes, Google likes to change things on Android. How could they be demanding impeachment even before he was sworn in? That is unfair.
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Post by ponto on Mar 6, 2021 19:49:35 GMT 10
There was good grounds for Trump to be impeached before he took office.....Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017. The first formal impeachment efforts were initiated by two Democratic representatives (Al Green and Brad Sherman) in 2017, the first year of his presidency.[5][6] Since the Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate during 2017 and 2018, the likelihood of impeachment during that period was considered by all to be low.[7][8] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the House by a 58–364 margin.[9] The Democrats gained control of the House in 2019 and launched multiple investigations into Trump's actions and finances. Speaker Nancy Pelosi initially resisted calls for impeachment. In May 2019, Pelosi indicated that Trump's continued actions, which she characterized as obstruction of justice and refusal to honor congressional subpoenas, might make an impeachment inquiry necessary. An increasing number of House Democrats and one Republican were requesting such an inquiry. On September 24, 2019, Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi announced that six committees would undertake formal impeachment inquiries after reports about controversial interactions between Trump and the country of Ukraine.[10] This inquiry resulted in Trump's first impeachment. Protesters calling for impeachment on the day of Trump's inauguration In January 2021, during Trump's final weeks in office, a renewed effort was made to remove him from office, in the wake of the Trump–Raffensperger phone call and the storming of the United States Capitol. This inquiry resulted in Trump's second impeachment.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2021 20:52:18 GMT 10
“Impeach” is a fancy French word meaning “prevent”. For the record in French it’s “empêcher” which literally means to stop someone from doing something. The British used to have an impeachment mechanism but as the Westminster system evolved with the executive government being members of parliament and (theoretically, although Scotty from Marketing would beg to differ) answerable to Parliament they dropped it, while the Americans developed the Jeffersonian system with the separation of powers so no member of the executive is allowed to be a member of Congress, and they kept the impeachment principle. Does it work? Not very well as we’ve just seen. But then again does the Westminster idea of government ministers being answerable to Parliament work? When you look at the Australian version of Westminster I’d have to say not at all. So we’re in no position to lecture the Americans on responsible government.
If you see a political leader about to do something illegal you try to prevent it from happening. That’s what impeachment is. It can be post hoc (after the fact) or ante delictum (before the offence). The best form of impeachment is a democratic vote which throws the bum out. And that happened to Trump. Yes yes I know, you’re going to argue it was all rigged blahdy blahdy blah. Bullshit. Courts up and down the land said it was kosher. Case closed. Biden won. He’s president. Deal with it.
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