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Post by matte on Feb 27, 2021 19:43:09 GMT 10
But, remember the scandal with Johnson & Johnson and its cancer causing baby powder
US regulator finds Johnson & Johnson single dose COVID jab effective25 FEB 2021 ASSOCIATED PRESS Johnson & Johnson's single-dose vaccine protects against COVID-19, according to an analysis by US regulators on Wednesday that sets the stage for a final decision on a new and easier-to-use shot to help tame the pandemic. The Food and Drug Administration's scientists confirmed that overall the vaccine is about 66 per cent effective at preventing moderate to severe COVID-19. The agency also said J&J's shot — one that could help speed vaccinations by requiring just one dose instead of two — is safe to use. www.9news.com.au/world/us-food-and-drug-administration-says-johnson-and-johnson-single-dose-covid-shot-prevents-serious-illness/e81cad7d-d40f-49a3-b67c-ecb25e197ec1 |
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 20:34:49 GMT 10
The US is in such covid dire straits it needs all the vaccines it can get...and in the interest of public health the Christian fundamentalist spreading misinformation should keep their big mouths shut....no one is forcing them to take the vaccine, though their fascist ideology dictates no one else should as well, that shit can be jammed where the sun don't shine..
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Post by pim on Feb 27, 2021 21:50:53 GMT 10
Before his inauguration Biden had set a goal of a million vaccinations a day for the first 100 days of his presidency. It seems his administration is achieving 1.7 million vaccinations a day. The program is going gangbusters. Everyone but the most ignorant blinkered Trump luvvie and crazy conspiracy theory addled QAnon-befuddled anti-vaxxer would want him to succeed.
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Post by ponto on Feb 28, 2021 4:45:06 GMT 10
"Everyone but the most ignorant blinkered Trump luvvie and crazy conspiracy theory addled QAnon-befuddled anti-vaxxer would 'not' want him to succeed".
The RW have become nothing more than a menace to society.
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Post by matte on Feb 28, 2021 7:20:50 GMT 10
You all think people who are cautious with regards to these so called vaccines are tin foil hat wearers.
These drugs are literally experimental, especially the two mRNA vaccines, a technology that has never been used before.
Look at Captain Sir Thomas Moore, who is now dead. He received the vaccine not that long ago. What about Prince Philip? Hospitalised. When did he receive his?
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Post by ponto on Feb 28, 2021 7:55:56 GMT 10
Excluding the fact that Tom Moore and Prince Philip are ancient, ... your linking that the vaccine caused harm is a long shot at best, one for the tin filers to latch onto.
It would be better if anti vaxxers desist from the rumour mongering as vaccines are not mandatory ...if you don't want to have a jab then don't, its the trying to sway others not to that creates health risk.
In todays crowded populated world where animals stressed diseased animals are forced to live with humans vaccines are a must have...that's the reality.
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Post by pim on Feb 28, 2021 7:57:04 GMT 10
Matt’s conspiracy theories do provide a little light relief. They have a certain entertainment value.
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Post by ponto on Feb 28, 2021 9:40:19 GMT 10
Entertainment maybe then consider conspiracist never admit to any culpability or wrong...OK to be anti vaxxer if you live in a remote community with no need to enter a town for shopping or medical or what ever...basically there is no such thing in the western world and can spread disease with the greatest of ease and say it wasn't us. Who would foot and mouth disease would make a comeback...as it has, simply because people travel and bring back bugs with them.
No such utopian world where everything its disease free, there's a new one in Australia where flesh eating virus from Possums is transmitted to humans via mosquito's...and as the planet warms who knows what bugs will be a virulent contagion...anti vaxxers are not in reality with the times.
Much like Trump and his followers never admit to wrong, he incites a crowd to violence then denies it was he, and his followers like Sporks will bring out it was democrats or Antifa in the crowd causing trouble for Trump.
Or Covid isn't as bad as medical science is telling people its all a hoax....vaccines cannot be trusted.
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Post by matte on Feb 28, 2021 16:00:40 GMT 10
Pronto, that is fine if you are enthusiastic about taking a drug without any question. But a lot of people will not do it straight away. These drugs have not been fully tested. They have been granted emergency use status in the United States, United Kingdom and European Union. In Australia, they are "provisionally" approved.
I will have a vaccine, but once I see it hasn't negatively impacted people in 12 months time.
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Post by ponto on Feb 28, 2021 16:53:05 GMT 10
The covid virus mutates into more a serious disease, so it is important to get on top on the virus, as what the governments are doing, one only has to look at Britain or South Africa to see how it mutates.
Hit the frontline workers and the aged first with vaccine the rest can follow depending on age...I'd say it will be 12 months before your jab Matte if you choose, well and truly tested....then consider the frontline workers and old folk, doubtful if the governments would allow something dodgy as a vaccine.
No worries she's apples.
And call us what you like just don't call us late for dinner.....but its Ponto not Pronto...Iza in no hurry.
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Post by pim on Feb 28, 2021 16:53:36 GMT 10
A little factoid from WW2 ...
Matt what would your feelings have been towards these new-fangled, rushed into service and not fully tested antibiotics if you'd been an Australian soldier wounded fighting the Japanese on the Kokoda Track in 1942?
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Post by matte on Feb 28, 2021 21:04:55 GMT 10
A little factoid from WW2 ... Matt what would your feelings have been towards these new-fangled, rushed into service and not fully tested antibiotics if you'd been an Australian soldier wounded fighting the Japanese on the Kokoda Track in 1942? That is a life and death decision, obviously when you're at that stage you'll go with anything if it will bring hope. But these vaccines are not that kind of decision. The fact they ask people with no symptoms of disease to get tested is very telling. Most people literally only suffer a minor sniffle, if that, when it comes to Covid19. Yet, they are telling us that we have to take this vaccine because our lives depend on it? We have to take these mRNA, never before used technologies, because it'll be good for us? I will wait for a more traditional vaccine, such as the Novavax vaccine. I will not take the mRNA, gene altering variety. They say we won't get a choice of vaccine during the rollout, so I'll wait until we do get a choice. There is no way I'll risk having that Pfizer mRNA vaccine injected into me. |
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Post by pim on Feb 28, 2021 23:30:24 GMT 10
A boring reply from a not very interesting individual. You’ve got the perfect right to be as Luddite as you like about the vaccine Matt. The authorities have made it perfectly clear that it’s free but voluntary. Good luck getting on a flight anywhere when the borders open and aircraft are taken out of mothballs.
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Post by ponto on Mar 1, 2021 1:03:15 GMT 10
Its not manditory to have a vaccine jab....if Matte doesn't want it...he doesn't have to.
My sister in pommieland had the bug...she was bed ridden for over a week....I'd rather the jab than being crook.
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2021 5:48:39 GMT 10
Opinion - Vaccines and immunisation - It is only a matter of time before we turn on the unvaccinatedNick Cohen 28 February 2021 www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/27/it-is-only-a-matter-of-time-before-we-turn-on-the-unvaccinated?CMP=Share_iOSApp_OtherPoverty and religion are creating a class the newly inoculated will come to resent The Cow Pock – or The Wonderful Effects of the New Inoculation by James Gillray in 1802It is easy to see how the pandemic could lead to class and racial strife by imagining how the UK will stand in six months’ time. The vindictive will start to describe Covid as a sickness of choice. Its victims will be victims of their own stupidity. They might have accepted vaccination. They might have protected themselves and others if, as seems likely, vaccines limit infections. Rational people will ask why they should continue to accept restrictions on their freedoms because of ignorant delusions. Employers will demand to know what possible argument there is against allowing the owners of pubs, airlines, restaurants, hotels or holiday homes to demand proof of protection when immunity passports might save their business. To make it personal, how would you feel come the autumn if someone you love contracted cancer and the NHS delayed treatment because it had to look after needlessly ill Covid patients? The poor suffer disproportionately from Covid as they suffer disproportionately from everything else. But it could soon be a sickness of poverty. In Birmingham – the only city to have produced detailed statistics – just 60% of people over 80 accepted the jab in Alum Rock, a deprived and racially mixed part of the inner city, while 95% accepted it in Sutton Four Oaks, an overwhelmingly white commuter suburb. Public health workers told me of their fears, but said they could never speak their minds in public. So let me spit it out for them. If good citizens who have taken their jabs, see poor white people, ultra-orthodox Haredi Jews, black or south Asian men and women, they may remember the stories about anti-vax illusions and cross the road or move down the bus to avoid them, or refuse to hire them or provide them with services. We have been lucky that to date the public faces of the anti-vax and Covid-sceptic movements have been upper-middle-class white men. Laying into the likes of Piers Corbyn and Toby Young is a pleasure as much as a journalistic duty. The only prejudice you worry about fanning is a legitimate aversion to over-indulged cranks. How long this relaxed state will last as demands to punish the unvaccinated grow is another matter. The right supplies one answer to vaccine apartheid. It opposes immunity passports as a step on the road to a dictatorial society where we won’t be able to work or play without some functionary demanding we produce our papers. Conservative fears aren’t wholly neurotic, but they should not allow their myth of the freeborn Englishman to fool them into believing that the majority of the population won’t welcome passports as a route out of lockdown. The right cannot go further than rejectionist opposition because all attempts to stop Covid-19 becoming an endemic infection involve a reordering of society. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe more than a million, undocumented migrants in the UK. As Gracie Bradley of Liberty pointed out to me, Theresa May’s “hostile environment” for migrants makes them frightened of visiting vaccination centres. When the NHS shares data with the Home Office and immigration enforcement, they have every incentive to stay away. Since he was mayor of London, Boris Johnson has toyed with offering an amnesty for illegal immigrants. Conservatives and many others hate the idea because it rewards migrants who broke the rules. But the practical arguments for regularising the position of countless thousands who dare not report a crime, appear in court as a witness, or protect themselves and wider society by agreeing to a vaccine should crush all doubts. An amnesty is essential, and now would be a good moment for the prime minister to find the backbone to take on the Conservative core vote, assuming he has a backbone to find, that is. The housebound, the homeless and many people with severe mental and physical disabilities need vaccinations to come to them because they cannot or do not know how to reach NHS centres. In short, they require a bigger NHS and stronger state, not the minimal state of Tory dreams. Yet when all the nice social democratic proposals have been offered, the fact of wilful ignorance remains. As so often with conspiracy theories, the endorsement of elite charlatans is vital to its spread. Emmanuel Macron’s attempt to cover up the failure of the European commission to supply vaccines with the false claim that the Astra-Zeneca inoculation is “quasi-ineffective” for older people has fuelled anti-vax sentiment across the continent, and will lead to many preventable deaths. Extreme religious elites are less visible but no less calculating. I spoke to workers at Migdal Emunah, a charity that fights forced marriages and child abuse in Haredi Jewish communities. I could not understand how religious leaders could accept a Covid infection rate nine times above the UK average. They told me what I should already have known: theocrats would do anything to avoid legitimising the scientific worldview. Once they allow modernity in, once they accept that the works of men are superior to the commands of God, their control of the mind and body, particularly of women’s bodies, would be at risk. Better to tolerate death and sickness than allow the rotten structure to fall. The left is usually blamed for failing to take on reactionary ideas in minorities. But if it is crippled by liberal guilt and the demands of electoral expediency, then the right, or parts of it, is simply indifferent. It doesn’t know about the conflicts in minority communities and doesn’t see the need to know either. Doctors and, to their credit, government ministers, understand they must allay people’s fears. There’s nothing wrong with reaching out but at some point they will need to take on the propagators of fatally fake news with more vigour. If they do not, we will be in an intolerable position. The poor, among whom ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented, suffer the greatest health inequalities. During the pandemic, they disproportionately risked their lives in frontline services, while experiencing the highest death rates. As the pandemic slows down, they will continue to suffer the highest death rates along with new variants of the old plagues of racism and snobbery.
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Post by ponto on Mar 1, 2021 7:25:49 GMT 10
Australia isn't quite the same as pommieland....as covid is rife over there because like the US they went for herd immunity approach.
And where has herd immunity worked for any disease be that measles, polio, chicken and small pox, common cold, influenza, TB, herpes, hepatitis, HIV ..the only time people have had herd immunity is when mass vaccinations has taken place.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 1, 2021 8:35:04 GMT 10
That's not entirely true Matte. Messenger RNA has been used before - just not marketed as yet. One guy who had advanced cancer that had spread to his liver which is almost always the end for someone with cancer - found his tumour on the liver just disappeared after receiving mRNA technology.
Traditional vaccines involve growing whole viruses where the vaccine is made from killed or weakened versions of them and that always takes time. But this new type of vaccine is based on mRNA - the molecule that your cells use to create specific proteins. This is how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are made.
The new vaccines are based on injecting mRNA that specifically produces the coronavirus’s ‘spikes’ - not the whole virus. The idea is that these spikes will provoke an immune response in the same way the real virus would, but without the resultant infection.
I think this new type of vaccine has enormous potential for HIV, cancer, flu and so on. I'd just like to see it trialled for a bit longer. Unfortunately because of the pandemic that isn't possible.
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2021 8:54:19 GMT 10
Excellent post Stellar. Thanks for the clarity that can only arise from your medical knowledge and experience.
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Post by Gort on Mar 1, 2021 9:44:42 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Mar 1, 2021 10:21:52 GMT 10
Is there a vaccine for superstitious ignorant people...?..as informative education doesn't seem to help....  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 13:36:35 GMT 10
Excellent post Stellar. Thanks for the clarity that can only arise from your medical knowledge and experience. I concur. The best explanation I have read as to how this works. Thanks Stellar. |
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Post by matte on Mar 1, 2021 17:08:51 GMT 10
A lot of people at church don't trust the vaccine. In fact, I don't know many people who want it. Most of people I know have said they will respectfully decline.
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2021 22:34:55 GMT 10
You’re entitled to your opinion. Just! All I can say Matt is that you should get out more if everyone you know is sceptical of the vaccine. You obviously exist in a tightly defined narrow bubble.
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Post by Gort on Mar 1, 2021 22:55:33 GMT 10
I remember back on November 10, 2020 Pim called talk of the Pfizer vaccine as "snake oil".  |
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2021 23:08:53 GMT 10
Wow! No kidding! You have instant recall of what I posted on November 10 2020? To be honest if I were interrogated with a spotlight on me with two coppers demanding that I tell them what I posted on November 10 2020 I’d be hard pressed. I couldn’t even tell you what day of the week it was. But I bet you could!!
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