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Post by Occam's Spork on May 12, 2021 6:47:14 GMT 10
If one is espousing that covid virus is a mild flu and mask are mere nappies, the riot of capitol hill is democrat video manipulation, mainstream news is fake news...etc etc it is Trumpism..that the proud boys are proud of. While now they have drop Trump no longer useful to the alt right it remains at its core Trump inspired....is that what you are Occam a proud boy cause you sure read like one being all evangelical an all. Watch out fake mainstream media....https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/10/proud-boys-far-right-givesendgo-christian-fundraising-site I don't like Trump's character, but I don't think he is wrong about everything. Neither do I think Biden and his handlers are wrong about everything. I can judge without polemics. ...I encourage you to try it sometime.đ
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Post by ponto on May 12, 2021 7:23:48 GMT 10
I judge your opinions Trumpesque...if it looks like Trump, smells like Trump, lucky we didn't tread in it Trump....then it is Trump.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 14, 2021 8:24:12 GMT 10
I judge your opinions Trumpesque...if it looks like Trump, smells like Trump, lucky we didn't tread in it Trump....then it is Trump. You are entitled to be as wrong as the next guy.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 14, 2021 8:29:29 GMT 10
Breadcrumbs lead to Fauci funding in Wuhan. The defense? Deny deny deny.
Turns out my 'theory' isn't so implausible after all. đ
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Post by bender on May 15, 2021 19:48:50 GMT 10
Your theory is ludicrous Spork. If you really believe it you're delusional.
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Post by ponto on May 15, 2021 20:27:08 GMT 10
Alternative truths...for the alt right.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 16, 2021 11:59:21 GMT 10
Your theory is ludicrous Spork. If you really believe it you're delusional. Thanks for the amateur assessment, Sigmund Fraud.đ
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 16, 2021 12:01:42 GMT 10
Alternative truths...for the alt right. The leftist call theirs "Truth enhancement"
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Post by bender on May 16, 2021 18:37:04 GMT 10
Alternative truths...for the alt right. The leftist call theirs "Truth enhancement" Really? I've never heard that term Spork. I have heard people such as Donald Trumps Press Secretary use the term Alternative Facts when trying to claim various things that were clearly not factual, but I've never heard the term Truth Enhancement. Could you provide an example of a "leftist" using that term Spork?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 17, 2021 3:09:19 GMT 10
The leftist call theirs "Truth enhancement" Really? I've never heard that term Spork. I have heard people such as Donald Trumps Press Secretary use the term Alternative Facts when trying to claim various things that were clearly not factual, but I've never heard the term Truth Enhancement. Could you provide an example of a "leftist" using that term Spork? It's not something they say, it's something they do.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 17, 2021 3:46:48 GMT 10
Your theory is ludicrous Spork. If you really believe it you're delusional. Nothing ludicrous about it. It's well documented the NIH gave money to the Wuhan lab, and it was used in gain of function research which resulted in Covid-19. Follow the money!
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Post by ponto on May 17, 2021 6:16:31 GMT 10
The Wuhan lab is one of the worlds best, and was used in research by many countries, investigations has shown no link to Wuhan Lab and the release of covid-19, also independent laboratory research has determined the virus was not lab spawned...the alt right ignore the facts and jump up and down over an assumed link as truth...blinded by a want to have a link with Wuhan lab the truth is ignored....such is the thinking of the alt right that borders on zealot.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 17, 2021 7:23:10 GMT 10
The Wuhan lab is one of the worlds best, and was used in research by many countries, investigations has shown no link to Wuhan Lab and the release of covid-19, also independent laboratory research has determined the virus was not lab spawned...the alt right ignore the facts and jump up and down over an assumed link as truth...blinded by a want to have a link with Wuhan lab the truth is ignored....such is the thinking of the alt right that borders on zealot. Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it.
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Post by ponto on May 17, 2021 7:45:32 GMT 10
Yeah right....its all a communist plot.
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Post by pim on May 17, 2021 8:07:02 GMT 10
Predictably enough and as always happens on social media, the thread has polarised with everyone doubling down in their entrenched positions. Letâs face it, the way this thread topic has been phrased there is no middle ground to be arrived at: either the Democrats did manipulate the video of the Capitol riot or they didnât. In Australia there is no debate about whether the video footage was manipulated. The broad consensus is that what we saw on our TV screens was what was actually happening, and the only people in Australia who share Occamâs view that the footage was manipulated are people like the MP Craig Kelly who has marginalised himself out of the Liberal Party onto the cross bench and who is considered loopy and unhinged. Thereâs an election due for the Australian Parliament either later this year or early next year (I wish we could have fixed terms) for the 47th parliament. I doubt that weâll see Craig Kelly re-elected as Member for Hughes in the 47th Australian parliament. Good riddance. Iâm as satisfied as itâs possible for an Australian to be - given the distance - that there was an insurrection, even an attempted coup, in Washington on January 6 that resulted in a shocking attempt by Trump supporters to storm the Capitol while Congress was in session in order to stymie and thwart the formal proceedings of the Congress to ratify the results of the the electoral college vote that ended the Trump presidency. And that this attempted coup was fomented by Trump. I applaud the fact that the coup attempt failed. It gives me hope that democracy might still have a hope over there.
But are we really going to spend the rest of the year rehashing the events of January 6? Trump lost. Deal with it. In my lifetime in Australia I recall an actual coup that was successful on 11 November 1975 in which the will of the parliament was thwarted in an abuse of Australiaâs constitutional links with the British monarchy and what emerged was the Fraser Government. The leader of the government which had been overthrown, Gough Whitlam, urged his supporters to âmaintain your rageâ. And we did! That was the mistake! There was an election in which the coup was ratified by the Australian people in an overwhelming landslide defeat of Whitlam Labor. Still we maintained our rage until the next elections when the Australian people inflicted another landslide defeat on Whitlam Labor. Finally it dawned on the Labor Party that maybe, just maybe, âmaintain your rageâ is for fools and unhinged idiots. As for Whitlam, he finally got it that he was the problem and he left politics. The Labor recovery started from that point and two elections later they were back in government.
It seems to me that the forces supporting Trump are afflicted by a similar malaise of denial, âwe wuz robbedâ and âmaintain your rageâ. Itâs a foolish path to go down. But thatâs what they appear to be doing. Trump himself appears to be unhinged and what I donât understand is the grip heâs got on the Republican Party. Under the tyranny exercised by this unhinged man, itâs no longer the Grand Old Party but the Trump Conspiracy. Thatâs the real story and itâs a tragic one.
Stay tuned for the readersâ comments ...
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Post by pim on May 17, 2021 8:16:02 GMT 10
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Post by bender on May 17, 2021 8:24:20 GMT 10
Really? I've never heard that term Spork. I have heard people such as Donald Trumps Press Secretary use the term Alternative Facts when trying to claim various things that were clearly not factual, but I've never heard the term Truth Enhancement. Could you provide an example of a "leftist" using that term Spork? It's not something they say, it's something they do. But you said that leftists call it that Spork. Now you're changing that claim to being your description of what they do. That's a very big difference Spork. I think this is a prime example of your compulsive dishonesty Spork, and indeed why I describe you as delusional.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 17, 2021 11:13:57 GMT 10
It's not something they say, it's something they do. But you said that leftists call it that Spork. Now you're changing that claim to being your description of what they do. That's a very big difference Spork. I think this is a prime example of your compulsive dishonesty Spork, and indeed why I describe you as delusional. Semantics... Followed by character assassination. ...Is that all you have left Bend-over?
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Post by bender on May 17, 2021 12:12:23 GMT 10
But you said that leftists call it that Spork. Now you're changing that claim to being your description of what they do. That's a very big difference Spork. I think this is a prime example of your compulsive dishonesty Spork, and indeed why I describe you as delusional. Semantics... Followed by character assassination. ...Is that all you have left Bend-over? Character assassination? You made a claim that I believed was false and when I queried that claim you confirmed that it wasn't something that leftists said, it was actually something of your own invention. Character assassination? You can't kill something that is already dead..... You're simply illustrating the accuracy of my call that you are indeed delusional Spork. How about starting again, admitting that you made up that claim about leftists and giving an undertaking that you will cease the dishonest statements and false claims that you litter these threads with. If you were to do that you would actually be showing some character......
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Post by bender on May 17, 2021 13:09:09 GMT 10
The Wuhan lab is one of the worlds best, and was used in research by many countries, investigations has shown no link to Wuhan Lab and the release of covid-19, also independent laboratory research has determined the virus was not lab spawned...the alt right ignore the facts and jump up and down over an assumed link as truth...blinded by a want to have a link with Wuhan lab the truth is ignored....such is the thinking of the alt right that borders on zealot. Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it. Another strange claim there Spork, and one unfortunately, once again, not one based on fact. You claim that Francis Boyle is a doctor. A quick check on Wikipedia reveals that he is in fact a lawyer who does not possess any academic degree in biology or virology. His expertise and career has been based in Tax and International Tax Law. He also served as an advisor to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organisation) from 1987-1989 and 1991-1993. When you claim that he drafted the Biological Weapons Act, what that act actually does is proscribe the criminal penalties for contravention of the Biological Weapons Convention and definitions for the same. It is simply ludicrous to claim that because he drafted that piece of legislation it gives somehow gives his beliefs in COVID-19 any credence beyond any other lay person. Secondly lets look at some of the claims that Mr Boyle has made both about COVID-19 and other subjects. Mr Boyle has published legal opinions stating that the US Federal Government is the enemy of all mankind. He also believes that the US Government is illegally occupying the State of Hawaii. In relation to COVID, Mr Boyle told the Associated Press that COVID-19 came out of a Lab in Wuhan, that it was genetically engineered with both nano-technology and HIV proteins. He alleges that US scientists created it and thousands of Doctors, Health Officials and members of Governments all around the world are actively involved with covering this up. In an article published in 2010 Mr Boyle called for Israel to be renamed JewistanâŚâŚ So Spork, would you like to revisit your belief in Mr Boyle's claims?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 18, 2021 8:10:07 GMT 10
Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it. Another strange claim there Spork, and one unfortunately, once again, not one based on fact. You claim that Francis Boyle is a doctor. A quick check on Wikipedia reveals that he is in fact a lawyer who does not possess any academic degree in biology or virology. His expertise and career has been based in Tax and International Tax Law. He also served as an advisor to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organisation) from 1987-1989 and 1991-1993. When you claim that he drafted the Biological Weapons Act, what that act actually does is proscribe the criminal penalties for contravention of the Biological Weapons Convention and definitions for the same. It is simply ludicrous to claim that because he drafted that piece of legislation it gives somehow gives his beliefs in COVID-19 any credence beyond any other lay person. Secondly lets look at some of the claims that Mr Boyle has made both about COVID-19 and other subjects. Mr Boyle has published legal opinions stating that the US Federal Government is the enemy of all mankind. He also believes that the US Government is illegally occupying the State of Hawaii. In relation to COVID, Mr Boyle told the Associated Press that COVID-19 came out of a Lab in Wuhan, that it was genetically engineered with both nano-technology and HIV proteins. He alleges that US scientists created it and thousands of Doctors, Health Officials and members of Governments all around the world are actively involved with covering this up. In an article published in 2010 Mr Boyle called for Israel to be renamed JewistanâŚâŚ So Spork, would you like to revisit your belief in Mr Boyle's claims? ...So what? You and Ponto have exactly the same problem. Your views have become so politically polarized it doesn't even occur to you that it is entirely possible for an individual to be right on some subjects and misinformed on others. Maybe you ought to practice judging an argument on it's content, and not on it's source. The left doesn't hold a monopoly on truth and rationality. And just because someone is wrong on some issues, doesn't make them universally wrong on every issue. (And Francis Boyle is a Professor. His profession earns him the right to his prefix.) But let's talk about China's human rights record, and discuss whether they might involve themselves in such unethical practices such as gain of function research, shall we? SARS started in China, Coronavirus also started in China. It's too much of a coincidence to be one.
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Post by ponto on May 18, 2021 9:06:16 GMT 10
You are so far from the truth how can any sane person believe the crap you come out with....do you get it , there is no truth in influence media that simply bags China to instigate war.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 18, 2021 11:08:04 GMT 10
You are so far from the truth how can any sane person believe the crap you come out with....do you get it , there is no truth in influence media that simply bags China to instigate war. Pfft I can't even get you to admit that the media is manipulating the public even when I've provided evidence for it.
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Post by ponto on May 18, 2021 11:48:55 GMT 10
Your trying to make us (members) believe in your alternative truth media or whatever....we are not buying it, has anyone here agreed with your views...no.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 18, 2021 12:14:30 GMT 10
Your trying to make us (members) believe in your alternative truth media or whatever....we are not buying it, has anyone here agreed with your views...no. Argumentum ad populum fallacy Truth is still truth even if no one believes it; and lies are still lies even if everyone believes it.
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