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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 25, 2021 3:11:09 GMT 10
No, I don't think that the facts should be distorted to support a specific political leaning. That is exactly what the mainstream media did.
Let's keep this simple: Do you approve of what they (the media) did? Yes or No?
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Post by ponto on Mar 25, 2021 9:31:38 GMT 10
Your back pedaling and deflecting...go back a few steps and read again my yesterdays post.
Do I approve of the bias RW pro Trump media spreading his lies...no....but obviously you do.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 26, 2021 0:49:02 GMT 10
Your back pedaling and deflecting...go back a few steps and read again my yesterdays post. Do I approve of the bias RW pro Trump media spreading his lies...no....but obviously you do. Go back further, watch the video, and tell me the media had Trump's interests in mind.
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Post by ponto on Mar 26, 2021 4:48:28 GMT 10
I watched the video...one has to question your judgement in thinking Trump had nothing what so ever in inciting a crowd into acts of sedition....quite prepared to be a lynching party...and you see no wrong in that...đ¤Ż
David Schoen: Trump impeachment lawyer reportedly lied about Democrats withholding video evidence before trial
Attorney also claims Democrats manipulated images and videos in their arguments
Graig Graziosi
Friday 12 February 2021 22:21
Donald Trump's impeachment lawyers have been accused of lying about having a video of the attacks on the US Capitol withheld.
David Schoen claimed that Democrats withheld video evidence of the Capitol attack prior to the impeachment hearings.
However, numerous news outlets are now reporting that sources speaking to them have confirmed that Mr Schoen was lying, and that the video was provided to the defence team.
Mr Schoen was referencing numerous videos that the impeachment managers used to highlight the violence at the US Capitol on the day of the insurrection.
"A source close to House Managers tells me that David Schoen was not telling the truth when he said Trumpâs lawyers had not been given the new video evidence of the Capitol attack. That person says trial rules required giving Trump lawyers the videos before the start," she tweeted.
Mr Schoen also claimed that Democrats deceptively edited tweets and videos to make them appear worse than they were in full context.
However, the defence team then played their own heavily edited video featuring clips of Democratic lawmakers, media figures and, curiously, celebrities, making comments that were cut in a way to suggest they were calling for violence.
Some of the clips were actually cut off, as in the case of a clip of Madonna talking about "blowing up the White House," before the full context was presented. In the full Madonna clip, she says that doing that would not be effective and would not change anything, which is the opposite of what the defence team was trying to portray.
The defence team also falsely claimed that Mr Trump's first tweets during the Capitol attack were urging calm.
According to the defence, the former president's first tweets told rioters to "stay calm" and called for "no violence."
However, those tweets actually came after a tweet in which Mr Trump accused Vice President Mike Pence of betraying him.
âMike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!â he wrote.
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Post by matte on May 8, 2021 21:06:59 GMT 10
Some of the rioters are now on trial. Lawyer for accused Capitol rioter says client had 'Foxitis,' 'Foxmania'By Jordan Williams 7 MAY 2021 THE HILL A lawyer for an accused Capitol rioter says his client had "Foxitis" after watching Fox News often, according to multiple reports. During a virtual hearing, a lawyer for Anthony Antonio explained that his client began watching Fox News often after he lost his job at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, according to CNN. "He became hooked with what I call 'Foxitus' or 'Foxmania' and became interested in the political aspect and started believing what was being fed to him," attorney Joseph Hurley said. FULL STORY: thehill.com/homenews/media/552285-lawyer-for-accused-capitol-rioter-says-client-had-foxitis-foxmania
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 9, 2021 3:40:31 GMT 10
I watched the video...one has to question your judgement in thinking Trump had nothing what so ever in inciting a crowd into acts of sedition....quite prepared to be a lynching party...and you see no wrong in that...𤯠David Schoen: Trump impeachment lawyer reportedly lied about Democrats withholding video evidence before trial
Attorney also claims Democrats manipulated images and videos in their arguments
Graig Graziosi Friday 12 February 2021 22:21 Donald Trump's impeachment lawyers have been accused of lying about having a video of the attacks on the US Capitol withheld. David Schoen claimed that Democrats withheld video evidence of the Capitol attack prior to the impeachment hearings. However, numerous news outlets are now reporting that sources speaking to them have confirmed that Mr Schoen was lying, and that the video was provided to the defence team. Mr Schoen was referencing numerous videos that the impeachment managers used to highlight the violence at the US Capitol on the day of the insurrection. "A source close to House Managers tells me that David Schoen was not telling the truth when he said Trumpâs lawyers had not been given the new video evidence of the Capitol attack. That person says trial rules required giving Trump lawyers the videos before the start," she tweeted. Mr Schoen also claimed that Democrats deceptively edited tweets and videos to make them appear worse than they were in full context. However, the defence team then played their own heavily edited video featuring clips of Democratic lawmakers, media figures and, curiously, celebrities, making comments that were cut in a way to suggest they were calling for violence. Some of the clips were actually cut off, as in the case of a clip of Madonna talking about "blowing up the White House," before the full context was presented. In the full Madonna clip, she says that doing that would not be effective and would not change anything, which is the opposite of what the defence team was trying to portray. The defence team also falsely claimed that Mr Trump's first tweets during the Capitol attack were urging calm. According to the defence, the former president's first tweets told rioters to "stay calm" and called for "no violence." However, those tweets actually came after a tweet in which Mr Trump accused Vice President Mike Pence of betraying him. âMike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!â he wrote. The fact that the full footage wasn't released to the public by the media is evidence of tampering and media manipulation. There isn't any way around that.
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Post by ponto on May 9, 2021 11:33:45 GMT 10
Give it a break...your barking up the wrong tree with white washing the alt right bullshit.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 9, 2021 12:38:54 GMT 10
Give it a break...your barking up the wrong tree with white washing the alt right bullshit. I am waiting for your contra explanation for the altered footage. ...I'm less interested in your political prejudices.
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Post by ponto on May 9, 2021 15:14:11 GMT 10
I do not care about altered footages or any of the other alt right white wash propaganda ...all you are is a robot for the alt right and their dumb ideology...and I have had enough of this ping pong garbage carrying on like hard done by misinformed muppet's.
The End.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 9, 2021 23:40:39 GMT 10
I do not care about altered footages or any of the other alt right white wash propaganda ...all you are is a robot for the alt right and their dumb ideology...and I have had enough of this ping pong garbage carrying on like hard done by misinformed muppet's. The End. It's not propaganda. The right did not hire actors and film the extra footage. You need to wake up and see the fiction that is being played all around you.
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Post by pim on May 10, 2021 0:03:07 GMT 10
Iâm not sure that âbeing played all around youâ quite cuts it in our case. I just looked it up and the distance from Sydney NSW to Washington DC is 15,701 km or 9,762 miles. Being at such a remove gives us a certain perspective, dare I say even a certain detached objectivity?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2021 7:21:02 GMT 10
Iâm not sure that âbeing played all around youâ quite cuts it in our case. I just looked it up and the distance from Sydney NSW to Washington DC is 15,701 km or 9,762 miles. Being at such a remove gives us a certain perspective, dare I say even a certain detached objectivity? Nah, dare I say distance removes you from context. Being far enough to be removed from incident, yet close enough to see over the *neighbor's fence... That's objectivity. *American spelling fully intended.đ
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2021 7:27:24 GMT 10
I do not care about altered footages or any of the other alt right white wash propaganda ...all you are is a robot for the alt right and their dumb ideology...and I have had enough of this ping pong garbage carrying on like hard done by misinformed muppet's. The End. The moral of the story: "Truth is Ignored".
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Post by ponto on May 10, 2021 7:32:56 GMT 10
Truth is distorted by the alt right to be wilfully ignorant....now your trying to weave a story there was no rioting on Capitol Hill...its all democrat fake news...footage was doctored, you people are just dangerous muppets.
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Post by pim on May 10, 2021 7:50:42 GMT 10
When the Republicans move to oust someone like Dick Cheneyâs daughter Liz Cheney who has quite a conservative track record in her own right but committed the ultimate heresy (to Republicans) of speaking the truth about Trump and voting for his impeachment, you know that the sound that you hear is the sound of Republican despair as it follows Donald Trump over the cliff.
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Post by caskur on May 10, 2021 10:18:22 GMT 10
I do not care about altered footages or any of the other alt right white wash propaganda ...all you are is a robot for the alt right and their dumb ideology...and I have had enough of this ping pong garbage carrying on like hard done by misinformed muppet's. The End. It's not propaganda. The right did not hire actors and film the extra footage. You need to wake up and see the fiction that is being played all around you. You are 100% correct, the left faked news and it turns my stomach. BUT the right in equal measure do the same thing to the left. They cancel each other out.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2021 10:55:53 GMT 10
It's not propaganda. The right did not hire actors and film the extra footage. You need to wake up and see the fiction that is being played all around you. You are 100% correct, the left faked news and it turns my stomach. BUT the right in equal measure do the same thing to the left. They cancel each other out. I don't disagree with that assessment. The difference is, those in power have a greater obligation to the truth.
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Post by caskur on May 10, 2021 11:05:30 GMT 10
No, I don't think that the facts should be distorted to support a specific political leaning. That is exactly what the mainstream media did. Let's keep this simple: Do you approve of what they (the media) did? Yes or No? I loathe liars and lying and deceptive manipulating editored video footage. No, I do not approve.
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Post by ponto on May 10, 2021 11:12:33 GMT 10
Truth is Trump manipulated a crowd into insurgency....no if's or buts or fake news.
The mob on capitol hill were there driven by the fake news mantra being hollered and hand signaled by the alt right.... the Satanist Democrats keep children under the building, the election was fake, covid is a sniffle ...etc etc and so on ...and here they are blaming mainstream media influence....dumb as dog shit thinking.
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Post by caskur on May 10, 2021 11:43:20 GMT 10
Truth is Trump manipulated a crowd into insurgency....no if's or buts or fake news. The mob on capitol hill were there driven by the fake news mantra being hollered and hand signaled by the alt right.... the Satanist Democrats keep children under the building, the election was fake, covid is a sniffle ...etc etc and so on ...and here they are blaming mainstream media influence....dumb as dog shit thinking. Trump became undone over the covid issue but realistically, yanks think they can overcome/conquer anything.
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Post by ponto on May 10, 2021 12:54:24 GMT 10
Realistically a % of Americans are as dumb as dog shit because they do not have good public media....its too much Murdoch fox news which makes people easily influenced.
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Post by pim on May 10, 2021 13:07:02 GMT 10
The lawyer for one of the insurgents currently facing charges over his role in the January 6 storming of the Capitol offered as a defence that his client suffers from "Foxitis" - lol
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 11, 2021 2:57:06 GMT 10
Truth is Trump manipulated a crowd into insurgency....no if's or buts or fake news. The mob on capitol hill were there driven by the fake news mantra being hollered and hand signaled by the alt right.... the Satanist Democrats keep children under the building, the election was fake, covid is a sniffle ...etc and so on ...and here they are blaming mainstream media influence....dumb as dog shit thinking. It's so cute that you still think I am defending Trump. I don't even like Trump. So stop making strawman arguments! You are completely missing that this is about the corrupt media; it's not about an event that happened 4 months ago. There is a big difference between the truth that you see; and the truth that you are shown. If you believe only in what you are shown, you aren't getting the full truth. A wise person would suspend judgement until they get all of the facts. And you can't depend on the mainstream media. I have given proof that they aren't being responsible with their power.
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Post by pim on May 11, 2021 7:39:10 GMT 10
Meanwhile as the Republicans rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic GOP ... Republican says Kevin McCarthy dismissed his warning ahead of Capitol riotBy Colby Itkowitz, May 11, 2021 www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/republican-says-kevin-mccarthy-dismissed-his-warning-ahead-of-capitol-riot-20210511-p57qor.htmlWashington: Representative Adam Kinzinger, one of the earliest congressional Republican critics of former president Donald Trumpâs false information about the 2020 election, said he warned House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy a few days before the January 6 attack on the Capitol that adopting Trumpâs rhetoric would lead to violence. McCarthy dismissed his concerns, Kinzinger said. âA few days before Jan 6, our GOP members had a conference call. I told Kevin that his words and our partyâs actions would lead to violence on January 6th,â Kinzinger tweeted Monday morning. âKevin dismissively responded with âok Adam, operator next question.â And we got violence.â A spokesman for McCarthy did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Kinzingerâs tweet. A pro-Trump mob intent on stopping congressional certification affirmation of Joe Bidenâs presidential win stormed the Capitol that day, an attack that resulted in five deaths. Kinzingerâs broadside against the most prominent House Republican comes two days ahead of his partyâs expected purge of Representative Liz Cheney, from her leadership post over her continued criticism of Trumpâs falsehoods about the election. The congressman from Illinois, one of 10 House Republicans who voted with Democrats to impeach Trump over his role in inciting the January 6 riot, also spoke virtually Monday at the National Press Club about the future of the Republican Party, and he continued to lash out at McCarthy. Kinzinger said it was McCarthy who âresurrectedâ Trump at the end of January when the GOP leader went to Florida to visit the former president. The visit came after McCarthy had said Trump bears responsibility for the attack and raised the specter of censuring the former president. âSo when it came to Kevin, you know, the only thing Liz [Cheney] did was be consistent. . . . It pains me to say this because I considered Kevin McCarthy a great friend, but two weeks after January 6, he goes down to Mar-a-Lago and it was almost like January 6 never happened.â Kinzinger said McCarthy, in making that trip, decided he wasnât going to be a leader of the Republican Party, comparing him with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has drawn Trumpâs ire for maintaining that he incited his supporters to storm the Capitol. âHe handed those reins to Trump and revived him,â Kinzinger said of McCarthy. âHe gave his voting card, he gave his proxy card to Donald Trump.â Kinzinger said he was so disillusioned by McCarthyâs reembrace of Trump that he considered bringing up a vote of no confidence against him but couldnât get enough support from other Republicans. He said it should be McCarthy whose leadership is challenged, not Cheney, and suggested that he may pursue such a move if he could convince enough of his colleagues that a change at the top is the only way to save the party, which he said is teetering on the edge of collapse. During an appearance on CBS Newsâs Face the Nation on Sunday, Kinzinger compared the GOP to the Titanic. âWeâre in the middle of this slow sink,â he said. âWe have a band playing on the deck, telling everybody itâs fine, and meanwhile Donald Trumpâs running around, trying to find womenâs clothing and get on the first lifeboat.â Reuters
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Post by ponto on May 11, 2021 10:40:27 GMT 10
If one is espousing that covid virus is a mild flu and mask are mere nappies, the riot of capitol hill is democrat video manipulation, mainstream news is fake news...etc etc it is Trumpism..that the proud boys are proud of. While now they have drop Trump no longer useful to the alt right it remains at its core Trump inspired....is that what you are Occam a proud boy cause you sure read like one being all evangelical an all.
Watch out fake mainstream media....https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/10/proud-boys-far-right-givesendgo-christian-fundraising-site
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