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Post by Gort on Feb 10, 2021 21:13:33 GMT 10
Maybe the end for Packer?
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 5:49:07 GMT 10
I wouldn't bet on it...
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Post by Stellar on Feb 11, 2021 7:23:18 GMT 10
Poor old James Packer. Do we feel sorry for him? Not a bit.
As for gambling, I think it should be banned. Especially casinos which are just a place for money laundering by criminals.
I do like the idea of gambling cards though - that should help to stop organised crime. Although they'd probably find a way around it.
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 8:13:00 GMT 10
Ol' Glady's Binchicken was in cabinet when the Packer's casino was rushed through cabinet against the report advice from the NSW's Independent Liquor and Gaming Authority (ILGA) that Crown is nothing more than shifty bastards...yet again another Trumpesque LNP rort....hope the people learn not to gamble again with these blatant criminals.
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Post by Gort on Feb 11, 2021 8:52:50 GMT 10
I remember when John Cain Jnr was the Premier here in Vic he wouldn't let them build the second tower at Crown Southbank ... then when that ratbag Jeff Kennett came to power, he let them double the gaming room floor space. However, as Tim Costello pointed out yesterday, the governments of all persuasions receive about $250 Million a year in taxes out of Crown. As if they would do anything to harm that river of gold!
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 9:03:20 GMT 10
Your diverting away from actually in power again calling the shots...so one cannot say Labor will do exactly the same...while there was rorting in Labor nothing to the industrial scale the LNp have taken it....white wash it and it becomes legitimised.
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Post by Gort on Feb 11, 2021 9:10:49 GMT 10
As for money laundering ... what did they expect?! Not being racist to say that Asians in particular love casinos and love dealing in cash. It's a no-brainer that bags of cash would be involved at a casino.
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 9:34:50 GMT 10
So why did the LNP rush the casino through..?.advised and knowing that crown casino is laundering money....I can tell you but will let you have a stab at it first.
Places you bets ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls future punters...a GortMo diverts to Labor 10 to 1.
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Post by Gort on Feb 11, 2021 9:46:40 GMT 10
You seem to have the wrong idea Ponts, I reckon casinos are a blight upon the face of the Earth.
As are pokies more generally.
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Post by Stellar on Feb 11, 2021 9:50:12 GMT 10
As does Ponto divert to LNP 10 to 1.
What I want to see are the gambling cards brought in as mentioned by Gladys B the other day. Gamblers certainly won't like it. Criminals definitely won't like it. Problem gamblers also won't like it but will however be helped by knowing where and how much they are gambling so steps can be taken to address their habit.
The hotel will be opening shortly. They still have a liquor licence. The casino floors can be remodelled into apartments - with the proviso that a couple of them be allocated to social housing.
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Post by Stellar on Feb 11, 2021 9:57:11 GMT 10
You seem to have the wrong idea Ponts, I reckon casinos are a blight upon the face of the Earth. As are pokies more generally. Pokies are a real problem in suburbia. But clubs and pubs and other venues basically say they can't remain in business without them. At least the RSL clubs do divert a lot of the profits from gambling to charity. That's not the case for pubs.
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 10:06:30 GMT 10
Diverting away from how a known dodgy casino was allowed to be built was passed quickly by the NSW LNP against advice...to now lookin' at Gladys with rose coloured glasses that she wants to do something about gambling...like can you trust this woman..apparently you guys can...wouldn't be so if Labor was at the helm.
I won the bet...I am rich and financially secure..
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Post by Stellar on Feb 11, 2021 10:12:39 GMT 10
I also think that Helen Coonan should go as well. They can't keep refering to her as a "cleanskin."
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Post by Gort on Feb 11, 2021 10:13:11 GMT 10
Diverting away from how a known dodgy casino was allowed to be built was passed quickly by the NSW LNP against advice...to now lookin' at Gladys with rose coloured glasses that she wants to do something about gambling...like can you trust this woman..apparently you guys can...wouldn't be so if Labor was at the helm. I won the bet...I am rich and financially secure.. What bet? Did you not understand that I was praising John Cain Jnr (Labor) for not letting Crown expand ... and lashing Kennett (Lib) for letting them expand?I remember when John Cain Jnr was the Premier here in Vic he wouldn't let them build the second tower at Crown Southbank ... then when that ratbag Jeff Kennett came to power, he let them double the gaming room floor space. However, as Tim Costello pointed out yesterday, the governments of all persuasions receive about $250 Million a year in taxes out of Crown. As if they would do anything to harm that river of gold!
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Post by ponto on Feb 11, 2021 11:11:02 GMT 10
The question which has been avoided...: why and to add did 'Public Land' get so quickly endorsed to be a casino by the LNP going against IGLA report and advice..?.not what Tim Costello says or that Gladys wants to introduce cards...well I have to anwser that myself....because the LNP are bad mangers of public money and land that everything is skewed to be advantageous to the LNP....not for public good.
Glady's and the LNP are unashamedly going 'so what' to their rorting, to the point Gladys just looks bored when asked questions on rorts, whether sports rorts, Badgery's Creek, Bushfires etc etc etc....you can tell what she is thinking...'oh so what...they are all doin' it'....while lining everyone's pockets including her lover.
People should be saying its enough no more with his self centered Trumpism or it will only deepen with impunity....crime controls government.
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Post by Gort on Feb 11, 2021 12:57:56 GMT 10
Someone on another board has corrected me regarding John Cain - saying that he didn't allow a casino at all, but it was Kirner who let them build a casino. I had it in mind that the plans for the permanent casino at Southbank included two towers* and that Cain had nixed that ... Oh well, maybe it was Kirner. * Ha ha "Two Towers" how very apt.
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Post by matte on Feb 11, 2021 19:36:55 GMT 10
I hope it is the end.
Gambling is such a disgusting industry, it is unethical and I don't feel sorry for him at all.
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Post by ponto on Feb 12, 2021 6:56:26 GMT 10
Can Gladys bounce back from this...you betcha...
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Post by Stellar on Feb 12, 2021 9:21:19 GMT 10
It's almost as though you have a personal vendetta against anyone conservative!
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Post by pim on Feb 12, 2021 13:19:09 GMT 10
It’s swathed in marble, smells like aftershave and looks phallic: welcome to Packer’s PeckerThe architect of Crown Sydney always boasted the building would have 'different levels of transparency'. The Crown board must have taken that a bit too literally.Janine Perrett 12 February 2021 Crikey The Crown development at Barangaroo in SydneyIt is hard to believe the blot on the landscape that is Sydney’s Crown casino — colloquially known as Packer’s Pecker — is as obscene on the inside as it is on the outside. A bit like the company itself really. The gaming rooms might be shuttered thanks to the inconvenient lack of a casino licence, but the public spaces, the restaurants and hotel rooms have all recently opened to the public. The lavish Pearl Ballroom sits empty waiting for the post-COVID, post-Bergin inquiry celebrations to begin. It’s all a bit sad. A gaudy spectacle designed specifically for classy Asian high-rollers who may never get to enjoy it. As you walk through the revolving door, the first thing that confronts you is an overwhelming fragrance that permeates the entire building. It can only be likened to a cheap aftershave. The sensory assault continues in the small, underwhelming foyer and check-in area which sits beneath a gaudy display of coloured lights — the kind usually only seen in suburban streets at Christmas time. The wee winding staircase in the middle of the first five floors drips with even more tacky silver lights. There’s a lot of marble. Five different kinds of marble, boasts one of the staff. It’s a long way from its Melbourne counterpart, known for a spacious foyer of dark elegant woodwork and the sweeping grand staircase. The taste police are not the only controls that have disappeared at Crown in the 26 years since Melbourne was opened. Still, the Sydney venue is marginally more attractive than its ugly competitor across the harbour, The Star, despite a billion-dollar refit some years ago. Crown Sydney’s main attraction (some would say its only attraction) is the magnificent 360-degree harbour view. James Packer has fully capitalised on this with his penthouse apartment sitting atop it all. At least he doesn’t have to look at the tacky gold crown now hanging over the Sydney skyline, like the rest of us. Tourism chiefs are welcoming Crown as Sydney’s first “six-star” hotel and there are plenty of people who actually like the swirling skyscraper which has a similarity to London’s controversial Gherkin. The founding architect of the Sydney structure, Chris Wilkinson, originally described the design as “a sculptural form that will rise up on the skyline like an inhabited artwork, with differing levels of transparency, striking a clear new image against the sky”. The key words there being “different levels of transparency”. The current Crown board must have taken that a bit too literally. Whatever happens to Packer’s shareholding in Crown, it is premature to think we are rid of the family name around Sydney. Just around the corner is the Roslyn Packer Theatre. Owned by the state government and managed by the Sydney Theatre Company (STC), the building was originally the Sydney Theatre until, 10 years later, the Packers made a $15 million donation and it was renamed after the family matriarch and arts philanthropist. The name change in 2014, in the midst of Crown’s efforts to win planning approvals for the casino, and the fact that the STC chair at the time was faithful Packer lieutenant David Gonski, could be seen as purely coincidental. Sydney is a small town, which is why it needs such a big phallic piece. Or maybe we’re seeing James Packer giving us all the giant finger. Either way, thanks for the legacy.
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Post by ponto on Feb 12, 2021 14:23:40 GMT 10
Fact is if it was under Labors watch the media and the conservatives would be howling for blood with Alan Jones leading the bugle call....under the conservatives rorts and crimes get pardoned.
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Post by ponto on Feb 13, 2021 7:45:03 GMT 10
The narrative is, with media so biased against them and with the ABC increasingly being nobbled, where the smiling assassin PM and the conservatives think the public broadcaster is joke openly laughing at the ABC on other media platforms knowing they are getting away with criminal behaviour endorsed by the RW media .....Labor has a snow flake in hells chance of winning the next election.
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Post by pim on Feb 13, 2021 9:02:04 GMT 10
On the principle of keep your expectations low but keep your powder dry I don't blame you for feeling despondent about Labor's chances. Nevertheless if you take the ScoMo principle of "I have always believed in miracles" at face value (ScoMo does more than take it at face value, he really does believe in miracles!) then ScoMo shouldn't get too smug lest the hubris fairy bites him on the bum.
Albo Labor certainly is the underdog going into what is without doubt an election year but while I thank you for the reality check Ponto I don't quite share your despondency. I don't think ScoMo is unbeatable and I wouldn't write Albo off either. By all means stay alert, stay realistic, but keep your powder dry.
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Post by pim on Feb 13, 2021 10:15:12 GMT 10
Ponto, on the theme of "keep your powder dry" I regularly get emails from the ACTU, in particular the excellent Sally McManus. Here's her latest which came to me today ...
If ScoMo wants to fight an election with industrial relations as a central issue, John Howard would be able to tell him that's not an election winner for a Coalition Government with a narrow majority seeking re-election. Keep your powder dry.
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Post by ponto on Feb 13, 2021 10:31:00 GMT 10
While the above is all good...people have become disengaged from LNP corruption to the point of apathy, whether than be sport rorts, dodgy land deals, free speech QAnon ideology espoused by Craig Kelly, etc etc, and where the ABC has been neutered to a great deal if one watches ABC breakfast 50% content is sport, 20% weather, 20% music and trivia waffle, 10% actual news similar format to all the other channels.....creating civil ignorance which is a useful tool for government.
There is a deliberate dumbing down of the nation happening....as what happened in the US where a poll surveyed a number of people with a question could they live under a dictatorship....40% of the respondents said they could as it wouldn't effect their lives, and a percentage indifferent....alarming finding.
Liberals Nats are getting away with blue murder with tax payers money...and Labors responses have been fairly wishy washy...fearful of an expose' on their stuff....??.....it is going to take miracles to evoke change.
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