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Post by ponto on Jan 31, 2021 5:25:28 GMT 10
What are these diverse opinions, pray tell..?...given that conservative opinion gave the world climate change denial to the extent that the planet is now at a critical juncture so much so the planet may never recover, and while that is happening you have conservative leaders like Trump removing EPA laws and Australia's leader waving lumps of coal around in parliament....this is conservative opinion.
Under conservative governments poverty increases while the rich are getting tax breaks and cash handouts creating income inequality where the US ranks no 1 in the world.
Then currently you have conservative folk like the QAnon follower who wore a buffalo hat and face paint at the Capitol Hill insurrection that was featured in the media who is now before the courts and his lawyer arguing that his client was influenced by Trump to storm Capitol Hill with others in an attempt to halt a democratic process on an election where Trump lied to his cult followers about the result, this showing how conservatives are easily manipulated by despotic leaders who pronounce conspiracy theories as a platform for a nasty agenda that gave rise to the extreme RW.
Where I also might add your self Spork's claimed Covid is not that serious, or something to that effect, a direct Cue to conservative dumb folk by Trump, ....one could carry on with more examples of how conservatives are just full of it,... what it does show this diverse opinion is that conservative contrarian opinion denies science fact and prefers conspiracies with disregard for the environment and the planet...that isn't diverse its just brainwashing dumb.
And why are RW folks just plain dumb to be easily manipulated....?
It is the US education system, (and a clear warning to Australia's education system merrily bouncing along following the same path) where the rich elite schools are competitive with education benchmarks comparable to European kids as in Denamrk an eg; the US poor underfunded public sector schools fail in reaching equivalent benchmarks...the best of it and the worse of it creating civil ignorance.
There are many Americans who do understand northern and southern hemispheres and how in the north it is winter and in the south it is summer.
There was a case where a student failed a geography test where the question was compare the differences between the USA and another country, student chose Australia as a comparison, and was failed because she called Australia a country and a Island...the teacher, a professor, said no Australia is a continent and not a country. The student questioned the teacher and she was threatened if she doesn't accept his result she will be failed on all her subjects, it was a drawn out battle of the girl citing proof that she was correct about Australia being a country and Island, eventually she won, the school board ended the matter with the dismissal of the teacher and a apology to the student.
And there are more similar stories and findings such as 73% of Americans could not correctly say why the US fought the cold war...ignorance of their bill of rights etc etc...not say there out of 300 million plus people there are not the most brilliant minds, the computer operating a system we are using was developed by American companies....it is unfortunate due to the education system the proportion of rational, brilliant enlightened intelligent minds in the US are outnumbered by ignorant inbred bible thumpin' racist that vote for people like Trump and his ignorance of politics.
It is how to stop the civil ignorance from voting people like Trump into office that is the dilemma....stop the inequality the conservatives are enamored with.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 1, 2021 12:05:55 GMT 10
Bruh...
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Post by ponto on Feb 2, 2021 9:56:28 GMT 10
Denial par the course for the RW.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 3, 2021 8:54:07 GMT 10
Social media was not designed as platform to promote hate and violence or anti social behaviour under the banner of free speech. Free speech is not hate speech as the the conservatives are fixated with that is giving rise to far right groups (neo Nazis) with increase racism and bigotry that is now a big problem in the US that is being mimicked in other nations. Why is it supposedly only 'hate speech' when it comes from the right... Oh btw: so what? Your opinion on what should be considered hate speech or not doesn't even factor into it. It's still protected regardless. So much for the leftists cancel culture.
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Post by Gort on Feb 3, 2021 10:31:32 GMT 10
Hmm .. The USA - where hate speech is protected and civilians can legally obtain military grade weapons ... What an odd country.
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Post by ponto on Feb 3, 2021 17:31:45 GMT 10
Part of the story with hate speech, there is a right to free speech but with boundaries that free speech does not create imminent lawless action.....hyporcritcal of you Sporks to condemn KTJ speech yet RW hate speech to promote violence is AOK...
"Imminent lawless action" is a standard currently used that was established by the United States Supreme Court in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), for defining the limits of freedom of speech. Brandenburg clarified what constituted a "clear and present danger", the standard established by Schenck v. United States (1919), and overruled Whitney v. California (1927), which had held that speech that merely advocated violence could be made illegal. Under the imminent lawless action test, speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely. While the precise meaning of "imminent" may be ambiguous in some cases, the court provided later clarification in Hess v. Indiana (1973) in which the court found that Hess's words were protected under "his rights to free speech",[1] in part, because his speech "amounted to nothing more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time,"[1] and therefore did not meet the imminence requirement.
The two legal prongs that constitute incitement of imminent lawless action are as follows:
Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]
Footnote : It is criminal in the US to have speech of holocaust denial.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 3, 2021 22:10:14 GMT 10
Point is, free speech is protected. Even opinions you don't agree with. Big Tech is way out of line!
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Post by bender on Feb 3, 2021 22:35:10 GMT 10
Social media was not designed as platform to promote hate and violence or anti social behaviour under the banner of free speech. Free speech is not hate speech as the the conservatives are fixated with that is giving rise to far right groups (neo Nazis) with increase racism and bigotry that is now a big problem in the US that is being mimicked in other nations. Why is it supposedly only 'hate speech' when it comes from the right... Oh btw: so what? Your opinion on what should be considered hate speech or not doesn't even factor into it. It's still protected regardless. So much for the leftists cancel culture. Spork what you seem to consistently seem to misunderstand is that First Amendment protections apply only when the Government is attempting to stop free speech. Facebook, Twitter, Google and the rest are not the Government, so they are under no obligation to guarantee anybody unfettered free speech. This is only like the tenth time this has been explained to you so I doubt you'll get it this time, but maybe after a few dozen more repetitions it might stick. As to why it seems to be only hate speech when it comes from the right? You may as well ask why is the sky blue. It just is. Maybe the right is simply unable to vocalise a position without coming across as rabid and deranged.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 3, 2021 22:56:12 GMT 10
As to why it seems to be only hate speech when it comes from the right? You may as well ask why is the sky blue. It just is. Maybe the right is simply unable to vocalise a position without coming across as rabid and deranged. Yep, if every opinion the left doesn't agree with is labeled as hate speech; then conservative opinion is justified in being censored.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 3, 2021 22:57:47 GMT 10
Part of the story with hate speech, there is a right to free speech but with boundaries that free speech does not create imminent lawless action.....hyporcritcal of you Sporks to condemn KTJ speech yet RW hate speech to promote violence is AOK... to have speech of holocaust denial. Hypocritical of you to be outraged by it.
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Post by bender on Feb 3, 2021 23:44:26 GMT 10
As to why it seems to be only hate speech when it comes from the right? You may as well ask why is the sky blue. It just is. Maybe the right is simply unable to vocalise a position without coming across as rabid and deranged. Yep, if every opinion the left doesn't agree with is labeled as hate speech; then conservative opinion is justified in being censored. That's simply incorrect. Just because the left doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean it's hate speech, and conservative opinion is not being censored. That is simply a figment of your imagination.
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Post by ponto on Feb 4, 2021 2:07:48 GMT 10
"Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]"
There are boundaries in the US to free speech.....free speech rights should not be a platform to promote lies to incite violence.
What inflicts many of the RW and the reason why Trump was so popular amongst them, also why Hitler came to power, is a psychological complaint called Authoritarian Personality' syndrome.
Sociology » Sociology of Race » Authoritarian Personality
Authoritarian Personality
The authoritarian personality is a psychological syndrome of traits that correlates highly without group prejudice. Three personality traits in particular characterize the syndrome: deference to authorities, aggression toward out groups, and rigid adherence to cultural conventions. Thus, authoritarians hold a rigidly hierarchical view of the world.
Nazi Germany inspired the first conceptualizations. The Frankfurt School, combining Marxism, psychoanalysis, and sociology, introduced the syndrome to explain Hitler’s popularity among working class Germans. An early formulation appeared in Erich Fromm’s (1941) Escape from Freedom. American social psychologists soon demonstrated the syndrome in the United States. In 1950, the major publication, The Authoritarian Personality, appeared. The product of two German refugees (Theodor Adorno and Else Frankel Brunswik) and two American social psychologists (Daniel Levinson and Nevitt Sanford) at the Berkeley campus of the University of California, this publication firmly established the concept in social science. The volume offered both clinical and questionnaire evidence. But it was the easily administered F (for fascism) Scale that led to an explosion of more than 2,000 published research papers.
Critics immediately disparaged the work on political, methodological, and theoretical grounds. Right wing detractors questioned the finding that political conservatives aver aged higher scores on the F Scale. They argued that there was widespread authoritarianism on the left as well. To be sure, the Berkeley investigators were politically liberal, and the syndrome exists on the left. But research repeatedly shows that the syndrome is preponderantly found among those on the political right. Indeed, a modern measure is simply called the Right Wing Authoritarian ism Scale.
Methodological critics unearthed a host of problems. For example, the clinical evaluators were not blind to the F Scale scores of their interviewees. Consequently, their assessments were not independently derived. No probability samples of respondents were tested – only samples of convenience (usually college students). The F Scale itself has problems. All the items are worded positively, so that agreement indicates authoritarian tendencies. This allows response sets to invalidate some scores, because some respondents agree or disagree regardless of the item content.
The Authoritarian Personality also provoked theoretical criticism. Its Freudian foundation is difficult to test directly. Many objected to its nominalist approach – the use of extreme categories based on the highest fourth of F Scale scores labeled ‘‘authoritarians’’ and the lowest fourth labeled ‘‘equalitarians.’’ The Berkeley co authors virtually ignored the middle half of their subject distribution. The most important theoretical objection concerned the 1950 study’s neglect of the social context. Authoritarianism rises in times of societal threat, and recedes in times of calm. Crises invoke authoritarian leadership and encourage equalitarians to accept such leadership. Moreover, the syndrome’s link to behavior is strongly related to the situational context in which authoritarians find themselves.
Many of these criticisms have merit. Nonetheless, research throughout the world with various F Scales shows that authoritarians reveal similar susceptibilities. In particular, high scorers are more likely than others to favor extreme right wing politics and exhibit prejudice against outgroups. Three key questions arise: Just what is authoritarianism? What are its origins? And why does it universally predict prejudice against a variety of outgroups?
This remarkable global consistency of results, despite the problems involved, sug gests that the authoritarian personality is a general personality syndrome with early ori gins in childhood that center on universal issues of authority. A plethora of theories attempt to define the personality type and its origins. The original Berkeley study viewed it as a personality type with particular character istics. Relying on psychoanalytic theory, it stressed the effects of a stern father in early life. Later formulations emphasize the syndrome’s focus on strength and weakness, its intense orientation to the ingroup, and the importance of modeling of authoritarian behavior by parents. The most recent work on the syndrome’s origins connects authoritarianism with attachment theory. Rejection by an early caregiver, often the mother, leads to an avoidance attachment style that closely resembles the authoritarian personality. Recent survey data with a probability sample of German adults reveal a strong relationship between the syndrome and a strong desire to avoid interpersonal closeness.
These German surveys also suggest why authoritarianism is universally related to out group prejudice. Developed early in life, authoritarianism later leads to conditions and behaviors that in turn generate intergroup prejudice. For example, authoritarians more often feel politically powerless (‘‘political inefficacy’’) and that modern life is too complex and bewildering (‘‘anomia’’) – both predictors of prejudice. Situational factors are also involved. Authoritarians tend to associate with others who are prejudiced. And they tend to avoid contact with outgroup members – a major means for reducing prejudice.
Thus, the authoritarian personality concept is an important tool for social science to understand a range of important social phenomena. For all its problems, it has stood the test of time and an abundance of research. But it operates at the individual level of analysis. Writers often erroneously employ it to explain societal phenomena – a compositional fallacy that assumes societal processes are mere composites of individual behavior. However, when authoritarianism is combined with situational and societal perspectives, it gains explanatory power in accounting for such phenomena as extreme right wing politics and intergroup prejudice.
And there we have it and why so many RW people are cranks and nutjobs into climate denial and conspiracy theorist....they have psychological disorders.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 4, 2021 6:21:06 GMT 10
"Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]" disorders. We aren't talking about advocacy of force. The right to gather is also a 1st amendment right that has recently been taken from us by the government. But here's the leftists: "Yessir. I'll get back into my house , and slap that diaper over my face sir. And please put your jackboot back on my throat sir ", like a little bitch. Thinking for one's self is apparently hate speech, according to you.
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Post by bender on Feb 4, 2021 10:46:40 GMT 10
"Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]" disorders. We aren't talking about advocacy of force. The right to gather is also a 1st amendment right that has recently been taken from us by the government. But here's the leftists: "Yessir. I'll get back into my house , and slap that diaper over my face sir. And please put your jackboot back on my throat sir ", like a little bitch. Thinking for one's self is apparently hate speech, according to you. Once again Spork you show a blatant disregard for the facts. Describing a face mask as a diaper? Well in your case you do talk a lot of shit so that may be justified. The right to gather? Well no, not exactly, it is the right to peacefully assemble and that has not been taken away. You can still join a group who disagrees with the Government (ie the mainstream, scientific) stance. You just can't gather publicly in person during periods when the Authorities have designated a place as requiring a stay at home order or a lockdown. Just as the 2nd Amendment which was written at a time of muzzle loading rifles did not foresee the advent of the assault rifle, neither did the first amendment foresee Zoom meetings. So yes you can still assemble. And referring back to History Spork, generally when someone actually does have that Government Jackboot on their throat they generally don't have the liberty to complain about it on an internet message board you dope. You are a compulsive exaggerator Spork, about the only thing you got right there was in describing yourself as just like a little bitch, a whiny, whinging little bitch...
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Post by Gort on Feb 4, 2021 10:58:30 GMT 10
Meanwhile, Canada moves in the right direction Canada puts Proud Boys on terror list for role in Capitol riots as Seattle chapter member arrestedPosted 1h ago, updated 1h ago Canada's public safety ministry says the Proud Boys openly encourage violence against those they perceive to oppose their ideology.(AP" Noah Berger) Canada has named the far-right Proud Boys group a terrorist entity, on the grounds that it openly supports violence and played a "pivotal role" in the attack on the US Capitol on January 6. Calling it "a neo-fascist organisation", Canada's public safety ministry said the Proud Boys "openly encouraged, planned, and conducted violent activities against those they perceive to be opposed to their ideology and political beliefs". To be listed as a terrorist entity in Canada requires "reasonable grounds to believe" that the group knowingly participated in or facilitated terrorist activity, or has knowingly acted in association with such a group. Being on the list means the group's assets can be frozen by banks and financial institutions, and that it becomes a crime for Canadians to knowingly deal with assets of the listed entity, a senior official said. Anyone belonging to the group also could be blocked from entering the country. The group's founder, Gavin McInnes, is Canadian but now lives in the United States. Top Seattle member charged over riotsA Seattle Proud Boys leader is the latest member to be charged in connection with the riots.(Getty: Win McNamee) Meanwhile, the US Justice Department arrested a top member of the Seattle chapter of the group on Wednesday, charging him over his alleged role in storming the Capitol. Prosecutors said 30-year-old Ethan Nordean, also known as Rufio Panman, could face up to 20 years in prison if convicted on a charge of impeding an official government proceeding. He also faces other charges, including aiding and abetting. Mr Nordean is the self-proclaimed "Sergeant of Arms" for the Seattle chapter of the Proud Boys, an extremist group that describes itself as a "pro-Western fraternal organisation for men who refuse to apologise for creating the modern world", the prosecutors said. He's the latest member of the group to be charged in connection with the riots, which left five people dead and delayed Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's election victory. Founded in 2016, the Proud Boys began as an organisation protesting political correctness and perceived constraints on masculinity in the US and Canada, and grew into a group with distinctive colours of yellow and black that embraced street fighting. The group's profile was raised in September when former US president Donald Trump, asked in an election debate if he would denounce white supremacists and militia groups, called on the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by". Reuters www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/canada-puts-proud-boys-on-terror-list-calls-group-neo-fascist/13120082
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Post by pim on Feb 4, 2021 11:35:55 GMT 10
I did notice a Canadian flag in amongst the sea of Confederate and Trump-luvvie flags carried by the insurrectionists at the Washington Capitol on January 6. At the time I vaguely wondered “what’s that doing there?” and put it down to a Canadian groupie wanting a slice of the Trump action. I didn’t think a lot of it and but for the pandemic and the restrictions on international travel for Australians I wouldn’t have been surprised to spot the odd Australian flag as well. I didn’t realise that the founder of Proud Boys was a Canadian. Wow. What’s a nice boy from a clean and respectable country like Canada doing getting not just mixed up with such bad company but actually leading it! In Australia we’ll probably drag the chain on using the Howard -era anti-terrorism laws against home grown equivalents of the Proud Boys. But sauce for the goose ...
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Post by ponto on Feb 4, 2021 11:49:25 GMT 10
'The authoritarian personality is a psychological syndrome of traits that correlates highly without group prejudice. Three personality traits in particular characterize the syndrome: deference to authorities, aggression toward out groups, and rigid adherence to cultural conventions. Thus, authoritarians hold a rigidly hierarchical view of the world'.....Sporko and Proud Boys down to a T.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 4, 2021 22:13:30 GMT 10
'The authoritarian personality is a psychological syndrome of traits that correlates highly without group prejudice. Three personality traits in particular characterize the syndrome: deference to authorities, aggression toward out groups, and rigid adherence to cultural conventions. Thus, authoritarians hold a rigidly hierarchical view of the world'.....Sporko and Proud Boys down to a T. All I can tell you is the media is only showing you half of what is going on. And Covid-19 is about 5% fact, and 95% psychological control. Never before in history have we ever quarantined the healthy. Wake up! Things are never going back to normal, the powers that be, don't want it to. Never before has a mother been fined for pushing her toddler on a swing, while prisoners are released due to social distancing. The world is ass-backwards! ... btw they have made it illegal to assemble peacefully. Doubt that? Try going to church on Sunday.
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Post by pim on Feb 4, 2021 23:05:57 GMT 10
Wartime curfews, suspension of habeas corpus, curtailment of civil liberties ... historically the public accept restrictions if they know and believe the reasons why.
Now I cheerfully admit that we've got off lightly with the coronavirus Down Under and a lot of it has to do with our geographical remoteness. But while distance is our friend in a global pandemic it will only remain our friend if it's coupled with strong secure borders so restrictions on travel - both international and domestic - accompanied by strict social distancing protocols, lockdowns when necessary and mask-wearing. There's been widespread acceptance and compliance in Australia firstly because there's a lot more social cohesion here than in the United States, secondly because we know and trust that the government and health authorities have been listening to "experts" and that policy is based on the best health advice, and thirdly because all of this has been explained to the average citizen.
The irony is that in Australian politics the question on climate change is "you listen to the experts and respect the science on the pandemic so why the hell won't you do the same on climate change?"
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 5, 2021 4:05:08 GMT 10
I think the longer this pandemic goes on , we ought to be vigilant on the people who want the lock down to continue.
I will go into further depth later, but this 'corona virus' ; has a lot of weird coincidences which I suppose makes me as much of a 'coincidence theorist', as a detective finding a man with a smoking gun at a crime scene.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 5, 2021 4:15:37 GMT 10
This will be the next phase: The next outbreak will be blamed on the radical religious right. ( and we are already seeing this starting. ) Who the media has conditioned most to believe are anti-science. They will try to round them up and ship them off to 're-education camps', to learn how to comply with the spoon fed narrative we are being forced to swallow.
Mr Microsoft Bill Gates, and the WHO, who are now on Bill's payroll to give him whatever stats or findings he wants, will rush into the save the day with his vaccine (which has the patent license: WO2020060606, btw no coincidence...) And everyone will have the first in a series of microchipped vaccinations.
Now sit back, grab some popcorn and watch it unfold just as I predicted.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 5, 2021 4:31:00 GMT 10
As for the attack on the Whitehouse?
Remember during the Boston Tea Party where the Americans dressed up like Mohawk Indians, just in case they got caught?
Wouldn't it be weird for the same sort of thing to happen again, for a different agenda?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 5, 2021 5:10:16 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Feb 5, 2021 6:04:52 GMT 10
Conspiracies abound with people who display authoritarian personality symptoms...as wearing a mask and social distancing during a pandemic is against civil liberties and freedom of speech to advocate the murder of democrats for Covid-19 is a communist democratic plot to gain mind control over people....the certainty is that the RW produces more than its fair share of cranks.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 5, 2021 6:51:18 GMT 10
Conspiracies abound with people who display authoritarian personality symptoms...as wearing a mask and social distancing during a pandemic is against civil liberties and freedom of speech to advocate the murder of democrats for Covid-19 is a communist democratic plot to gain mind control over people....the certainty is that the RW produces more than its fair share of cranks. ... Isnt it odd how everyone who doesn't agree with your spoon fed version of events is labeled a conspiracy theorist, and dismissed outright? Conspiracy theorist is a loaded term politicians use to mock and dismiss allegations against them. That doesn't mean there isn't truth behind them. But pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, just keep believing in your fake thing, take the blue pill. And leave us truthers be. Let Bill Gates do the thinking for you. Its the easier path.
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