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Post by pim on Jan 7, 2021 6:11:55 GMT 10
Washington in Final Convulsions of Trump Erawww.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/trump-congress.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=HomepageAs angry Trump supporters massed in the capital and a futile challenge to Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory unfolded in Congress, the president most likely succeeded in handing Washington to the Democrats. After 1,448 days of trench warfare with friends and foes alike, 1,448 days of Twitter blasts and busted norm and shock-jock governing, 1,448 days of dominating the national conversation and rewriting reality to suit his needs, President Trump arrived on Wednesday at a moment of reckoning. All that was left was the shouting. Barring an unforeseen surprise, Congress was poised to ratify Mr. Trump’s election defeat with bipartisan majorities despite a furious effort to persuade Republicans to block the count. At the same time, Democrats appeared on the cusp of winning the second of two runoff elections in Georgia to seize control of the Senate and complete their takeover of the executive and legislative branches. The wreckage of the Trump presidency and its collateral damage on the Republican Party were on display at one end of Pennsylvania Avenue while his denialism was on display on the other. As lawmakers headed to the Capitol to receive electoral votes sealing President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory, Mr. Trump was left to rage futilely before supporters gathered on a cold, gusty day on the Ellipse just south of the White House he will have to vacate in 14 days. Pence and lawmakers evacuated as protesters storm the Capitol, halting Congress’s counting of electoral votes.Protesters loyal to President Trump stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, halting Congress’s counting of the electoral votes to confirm President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory as the police evacuated lawmakers from the building. Around 2:15 p.m., as the House and Senate debated a move by a faction of Republicans to overturn the election results, the proceedings ground to a halt as security rushed Vice President Mike Pence out of the Senate chamber and the Capitol building was placed on lockdown, with senators and members of the House locked inside their respective chambers. Shortly afterward, the police escorted senators and members of House from the building to others nearby, as the protesters swarmed the hallways just steps from where lawmakers were meeting, carrying pro-Trump paraphernalia. The extraordinary day in Washington laid bare deep divisions both between the two parties and within Republican ranks, when the ceremonial counting of electoral votes that unfolds every four years in Congress was transformed into an explosive spectacle, with Mr. Trump stoking the unrest.
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Post by ponto on Jan 7, 2021 6:49:41 GMT 10
I would like to see Trump being dragged out of the White House by the National Guard....what a finale...I know its wrong to say this topped off with a shoot out with Trumpo supporters...good stuff and good riddance to em..
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Post by megan on Jan 7, 2021 14:25:53 GMT 10
I would like to see Trump being dragged out of the White House by the National Guard....what a finale...I know its wrong to say this topped off with a shoot out with Trumpo supporters...good stuff and good riddance to em.. I think he’s already been locked up . Mike Pence addressing the American people and giving orders to send in the national guard leads me to think the 25th amendment has already been enacted . Watch this space now for his impeachment . I reckon many of his previous supporters will cross the floor and join the Democrats .
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Post by ponto on Jan 7, 2021 16:51:51 GMT 10
Trump is capable or more chaos and agree he needs to be locked up, this the mad president who has his finger on 'the red button'...all though he has used it already to order coke and burgers.
Not only Trump that should be locked up, include Murdoch and the RW media people who enabled Trump to spread his lies, and the republicans that support Trump....and Morrison should hand back his medal of disgrace.
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 10:53:02 GMT 10
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Post by bender on Jan 8, 2021 15:17:46 GMT 10
It was certainly a sight to behold, particularly the guy in the MAGA beanie hustling away with a Lectern with the Congressional Seal on it.
What is far more alarming is that this crowd attended a rally outside the white house where Trump addresses them and directed them to go down the street to Congress, Guiliani told the Crowd that those in Congress deserved trial by combat.
And then this happened.
The truth is that to Trump and that whole right wing media that lives with him in some sort of mutual parasitic relationship treat this all as a game or a way to monetize the situation, and when it gets out of hand they just throw up their hands and say "it was only words."
It's not a game, and words matter.
Trumps recent video address was reportedly made by him under the threat of his entire senior staff and cabinet resigning en-mass.
But no one is forgetting that the people he described today as criminals, he described yesterday as patriots.
At first I was a little confused and how seriously they're taking this in the USA, terms like attempted Coup, terrorism, sedition are being openly thrown around, it might be a little late, but it appears that at last America is starting to learn that words do matter
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 17:18:16 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 17:19:15 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Jan 8, 2021 17:23:21 GMT 10
Trump needs to be impeached so he cannot run again...
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Post by caskur on Jan 8, 2021 19:30:17 GMT 10
I reckon Melania will divorce him.
Cherry on top of the cake!~
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 22:54:18 GMT 10
Trophy wife divorces billionaire husband, gets $$millions in divorce settlement. So what else might be new? People like The pussy grabber and his mate Rupert Murdoch love being married so much that they get married again ... and again ... and again ...
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Post by ponto on Jan 9, 2021 3:10:44 GMT 10
Assuming Melania has a moral ethic that her husband doesn't....
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Post by pim on Jan 9, 2021 9:19:18 GMT 10
I dunno what sort of moral ethic (interesting and creative juxtaposition of adjective and noun) Melania might have. And I’ll never know which is fine because after January 20 her name will fade from public discourse never to be uttered again. The scuttlebutt rages about Melania because she always presents the same visage in public - a blank expressionless face - into which people read what they want to: the most common being “she must be a victim, right? How could she be otherwise, married to a creepy guy like Trump?” Maybe the truth is the opposite: what if she’s in there with Trump 100%? What if she’s 100% complicit?
Here’s what I see: I see an immigrant from the Balkans who married her way into getting US citizenship. Trump gets a young exotic “attractive” (if you like Melania’s type of “attractive”) trophy wife and Melania gets US citizenship plus she gets to live in an American McMansion (if you like that sort of thing). In those terms it’s been a brilliant deal for Melania. Not only did she become a US citizen, she ended up becoming First Lady.
I’d say she’s done more than OK for herself.
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Post by Gort on Jan 9, 2021 9:29:07 GMT 10
Trophy wife divorces billionaire husband, gets $$millions in divorce settlement. So what else might be new? People like The pussy grabber and his mate Rupert Murdoch love being married so much that they get married again ... and again ... and again ... "Trophy wives" don't seem to work all that well for aspiring pollies ... e.g. Susan Peacock Carolyn Hewson Chloe Shorten
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Post by Gort on Jan 9, 2021 22:04:23 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Jan 10, 2021 6:19:58 GMT 10
LW produces Jacinda Ardern....the RW produces calamitous fuckwits.
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Post by Gort on Jan 10, 2021 8:42:37 GMT 10
What is the difference between The Capitol and Mordor? ... One does not simply walk into Mordor.
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Post by ponto on Jan 10, 2021 9:23:03 GMT 10
Just as the Muslims are intimidated not to speak out against the radical element it is the same with the RW intimidated not to speak out against the radical element within their ranks...hence radicalism grows.
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Post by caskur on Jan 11, 2021 13:10:47 GMT 10
The USA right whingers I know on the boards want the USA leftist dead.
Make no mistake about it. I told you guys here a few months back. The feeling are real. The leftist are seriously hated and most likely there is going to be more deaths before this is over.
No one likes Biden despite his win. He is considered suffering dementia and far too old to last another 4 years.
There will be war.
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Post by pim on Jan 11, 2021 14:46:10 GMT 10
Toots rather than relying on the febrile social media ecosystem for your commentary you might consider balancing it with more mainstream commentary...
That’s 45 minutes of pretty detailed stuff and requires an attention span that is way beyond that of your average social media netizen. But it goes further! How much detailed discussion and commentary are you able to take? Here’s a 17 minute clip from the PBS channel in the United States - that’s the US equivalent of the ABC - in which a guy from the Lincoln Project gives his take on what it all means for Trump and more importantly for the Republicans. He writes Trump off as finished and that the rest of his life is going to be a living hell of never ending lawsuits. But for the Republicans it’s what they’re going to do about “Trumpism”. Worth watching! The Lincoln Project is made up of Republicans who for a long time have been disgusted with the way Trump has taken over their party and turned it into the Trump party. Don’t forget that the Republicans are supposed to be the party of Abraham Lincoln, the guy who “saved the Union” during the Civil War. They claim to be true to the Republicans’ Lincoln roots and they accuse the Trump Republicans of turning the party into a revival of the Confederacy. The sight of Confederate flags being paraded through the Capitol was not unlike seeing flags of Nazi Germany being paraded through the Houses of Parliament in Westminster.
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Post by ponto on Jan 11, 2021 18:19:53 GMT 10
Proving the RW are as dumb as dog shit and brainwashed pea brains that can be easily led into frothing at the mouth dangerous zealots that cannot be controlled as Trump thought he could..
'The USA leftist' presumably the Democrats LW highlights their ignorance of politics....and why would any sane person participate on such demented board .
When you have presumably intelligent people like Joe Hockey supporting the lies and deceit of Trump convinced the election was fraudulent then that notion would have to be the majority thinking of the coalition party, they are aiding and abetting the rise of the far right who would murder in the name of their cause which is not democracy.
Murdoch empire has a lot to answer for and all the RW goon journo's and shock jocks promoting propaganda and deciet, even down to the little players like GortMo with his Franking Credit deception and bagging Labor at any opportunity because they are "LW"....and probably socialist that the RW get all hysterical and filled with hate driven fear over.
Thankfully there are sane sensible people out there, like the people in Europe who saw Trump for what he was a charlatan emperor with no clothes more so than Australia and conservative punters who thought Trump Great.
If justice is to be served Trump, Murdoch and all the hangers on like ScoMo should be held accountable for the hate they fueled in the community and shunned for what they are...dangerous sleaze bags.
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Post by Gort on Jan 11, 2021 19:20:46 GMT 10
How ya going there Ponts? Speaking of Franking Credits: Labor was going to withhold tax returns on people earning franking credit refunds. To be able to withhold the tax return from them, the person must be earning less than $18,000 odd total income. We're not talking franking credit income - but total income. If you earn less than 18,000 odd bucks total income, you pay no tax. Labor was going after those low income self-funded retirees who were earning less than $18,000 odd bucks and were due to have their "provisional tax" franking credits returned to them as a tax refund in July. By definition, Labor was going for the lowest income retirees. The rich bums were not affected! Rich bums would not qualify for a tax refund. Why don't you get that? Are you blind, deaf and dumb? Labor was ripping up the tax free threshold on people who gain their income from share dividends. Any other income was fine, but if you had share dividends only, then Labor was going to whack you, and only if your total income was below $18,000 odd bucks! It was an astonishingly discriminatory hit on one class of income. The most disgusting tax hit on low income people ever devised by Labor. No wonder they lost the "unlosable" election over it.
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Post by Gort on Jan 11, 2021 20:11:05 GMT 10
Hey Ponts ... Have you ever wondered why I have never posted a retaliatory post to any of these members : slartibartfast geopol Salem fat sonex Grim-Phoenix tam volk fleamailman Old Codger megan nemesis rainbow420 wolves12 nataliesalat jiribiri annie openeyes cynthecowgirl You should ponder on that.
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Post by ponto on Jan 11, 2021 22:20:37 GMT 10
There we go....immediately jumps into to what I was saying about you GortMo.
Have you ever pondered the thought about what your voting for the conservatism spawns...?... no obviously.....La La land of ScoMo will make Australia Great Again....dangerous SAGA of the radical right in the coalition ranks that you endeavour to support.
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Post by Gort on Jan 11, 2021 22:25:16 GMT 10
All those other members conducted themselves civilly without launching personal attacks. You on the other hand ... You have become a rude, ignorant ratbag.
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