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Post by Stellar on Jul 26, 2020 7:05:02 GMT 10
Originated in the Bega Valley and hard to find for a great strong and bitey is 'Kameruka' Cheese....which roughly translates as dumb white honky in Yuin. Kameruka actually translates to "wait until I return." It's Aboriginal. So - I'll check it out at the supermarket later today as the cheese is now back in local hands and they deserve our patronage. Let's all buy Australian from now on!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 7:25:52 GMT 10
I know was being satirical ....it was a really popualr cheese back in the 60's then faded out and now hard to find, last time I found it was down Bega way and fairly pricey back in 2007, gourmet tucker....bon vivant.
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Post by Stellar on Jul 27, 2020 9:59:21 GMT 10
Well I love the cottage. Who knows if Cook lived in it but his parents did and he definitely lived in Great Ayton in North Yorkshire from age 8 to 16 when he was apprenticed to ship owners in Whitby. My paternal grandfather also was a ship's captain who came from Yorkshire so as kids we were always taught about Cook's voyages. But every Australia Day we see scumbag activists intent on defacing the cottage with their stupid slogans. It certainly doesn't endear me to their "cause."
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Post by caskur on Jul 27, 2020 10:13:33 GMT 10
Well I love the cottage. Who knows if Cook lived in it but his parents did and he definitely lived in Great Ayton in North Yorkshire from age 8 to 16 when he was apprenticed to ship owners in Whitby. My paternal grandfather also was a ship's captain who came from Yorkshire so as kids we were always taught about Cook's voyages. But every Australia Day we see scumbag activists intent on defacing the cottage with their stupid slogans. It certainly doesn't endear me to their "cause." Me either. They have no cause.
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Post by KTJ on Jul 27, 2020 10:44:41 GMT 10
Captain James Cook's expeditions were responsible for spreading pox & syphilis and all sorts of other nasties right around the Pacific.
So “off with his head!!”
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Post by Stellar on Jul 27, 2020 10:52:27 GMT 10
You can't judge past societies by today's standards! All primitive societies were conquered by more advanced ones. It's just the way of the world. And how the world advanced. But I see the main antagonists who are stirring everything up where the indigenous are concerned are coming from the ranks of the Irish. The Irish who have always hated the British. And are using the indigenous as a way to compensate for the treatment of the Irish in the past. Padraic Gibson comes to mind.
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Post by caskur on Jul 27, 2020 10:54:55 GMT 10
Captain James Cook's expeditions were responsible for spreading pox & syphilis and all sorts of other nasties right around the Pacific.
So “off with his head!!” Don't you mean, "off with their hairy cocks?" That's where I would start.
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Post by Stellar on Jul 27, 2020 11:31:16 GMT 10
Captain James Cook's expeditions were responsible for spreading pox & syphilis and all sorts of other nasties right around the Pacific.
So “off with his head!!” I seem to remember he lost his head in Hawaii.
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Post by KTJ on Jul 27, 2020 12:02:48 GMT 10
Captain James Cook's expeditions were responsible for spreading pox & syphilis and all sorts of other nasties right around the Pacific.
So “off with his head!!” I seem to remember he lost his head in Hawaii. The occasional statue of Captain James Cook in Turanganui-a-kiwa (whitie boat-people named the place Gisborne, yet it had already had a name for a few hundred years) has lost its head over the years.
Local Maori residing in the place where Cook's men first landed in Aotearoa are very anti-Cook. I lived there for 20½-years from March 1978 until October 1998, so am fully aware of their attitudes. And a couple of those statue beheadings occured during the two decades I was living there. More statue beheadings have occurred since. And whitie folks living there who think Maori are beneath them hate the fact that Maori are now almost half of the total population of that part of NZ and that they are out-breeding the white folks. And slowly out-voting them when it comes to the local council. Eventually, all statues of James Cook will be gone from Turanganui-a-kiwa. And it will be good-riddance to the pox-spreading gatecrasher.
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Post by caskur on Jul 27, 2020 12:19:13 GMT 10
I seem to remember he lost his head in Hawaii. The occasional statue of Captain James Cook in Turanganui-a-kiwa (whitie boat-people named the place Gisborne, yet it had already had a name for a few hundred years) has lost its head over the years.
Local Maori residing in the place where Cook's men first landed in Aotearoa are very anti-Cook. I lived there for 20½-years from March 1978 until October 1998, so am fully aware of their attitudes. And a couple of those statue beheadings occured during the two decades I was living there. More statue beheadings have occurred since. And whitie folks living there who think Maori are beneath them hate the fact that Maori are now almost half of the total population of that part of NZ and that they are out-breeding the white folks. And slowly out-voting them when it comes to the local council. Eventually, all statues of James Cook will be gone from Turanganui-a-kiwa. And it will be good-riddance to the pox-spreading gatecrasher.lmffao... and who will you replace him with? Xi Jinping?
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Post by KTJ on Jul 27, 2020 12:27:50 GMT 10
I can think of plenty of proud Maori figureheads whose people lived around Turanganui-a-kiwa long before the pox-spreading James Cook came along.
Put up some statues of them. I betcha it eventually happens as Maori gain control of Gisborne District Council and erect their own statues as well as dumping the white name which was imposed on them.
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Post by bender on Jul 28, 2020 7:47:29 GMT 10
I don't think that it's going too far to get rid of a name that has the connotations that Coon has. One would think that it would be good business.
Stellar raises a valid though probably unintentional point here. The world does advance Stellar and as it advances it's looking at our history with different eyes.
More honest, more factual and accordingly more critical eyes.
Your society is being conquered by a more advanced one Stellar. Maybe now you're able to look at what happened to Indigenous and First Nations culture and society with a slightly more empathetic eye......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 8:21:58 GMT 10
Indeed....cannot stop change or the young having a different opinion to ol' white honkies....could may well be the statue of liberty gets beheaded in time.
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Post by pim on Jul 28, 2020 8:29:36 GMT 10
Captain James Cook's expeditions were responsible for spreading pox & syphilis and all sorts of other nasties right around the Pacific.
So “off with his head!!” Ohh don’t blame Cook for the dreaded clap. Apparently syphilis was gifted to the Spanish conquistadors back in the 1500s by the indigenous Mesoamericans whom the Spanish called “Indians”. Fair exchange I would have thought: you whitefellas give us your nailed god, your guns, your booze and your broken Spanish, and in return we give you the clap. Regarding what Stellar posted, I agree that it’s a pretty cottage but whatever historical value it might have had has been completely negated by its having been taken out of its context of Whitby in Yorkshire and plonked in Melbourne where Cook had never been. You can argue that there’s a bit of a connection (which I’d dispute, but still ..) between Cook and Sydney but Cook and Melbourne? And we Australians don’t “own” Cook. He didn’t “discover” Australia. He used the as-yet uncharted east coast of New Holland as a reference point to chart his voyage back to England after his three year “Endeavour” expedition. He set out from NZ where he’d spent six months charting every bay and inlet for the uncharted coastline on the other side of the Tasman. It wasn’t like Columbus nearly 300 years beforehand bumping into a coast and thinking he’d reached the “Indies” not realising the true significance of what he’d stumbled upon. This was Cook setting course for a landfall that he knew would be there and then in his report to the Admiralty saying “I have made no significant discoveries.” For the Australians to claim “ownership” of Cook is to falsify history. After his “Endeavour” expedition Cook went on to make two more expeditions in the “Resolution” in which he charted the Pacific Ocean in all its vastness and extent, from polar ice cap in the Antarctic to polar ice cap in the Arctic. He was the greatest navigator the world has ever seen. As for his cottage in Fitzroy Gdns I’d much prefer to visit it in its proper context in Whitby but of course that can’t happen. As for the slogans on his statues, I think Cook himself would be somewhat bemused. He does have a place in this country’s history which I argue has been misrepresented by both the left and the right in pursuit of their own ideological narratives. He’s not the “discoverer” of this country. His act of planting the flag on Possession Island in the Torres Strait wasn’t so much about dispossessing the First Nations as pre-empting a similar act of taking possession by the French. Having charted the east coast he moved on and returned to England. When asked by his naval superiors “What did you find during your three years away sailing your boat around the world?” His answer was “Not much!” He probably thought that his successful vitamin C-basedl diet to prevent scurvy among his crew which he’d trialled on the “Endeavour” was of greater significance.
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Post by caskur on Jul 28, 2020 14:13:35 GMT 10
I can think of plenty of proud Maori figureheads whose people lived around Turanganui-a-kiwa long before the pox-spreading James Cook came along.
Put up some statues of them. I betcha it eventually happens as Maori gain control of Gisborne District Council and erect their own statues as well as dumping the white name which was imposed on them. Why is it one or the other? Why can't it be both?
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Post by KTJ on Jul 28, 2020 19:03:19 GMT 10
Why is it one or the other? Why can't it be both? Turanganui-a-kiwa was the name which applied to a part of NZ for hundreds of years.
Then Captain James Cook arrived there and his men killed a Maori chief.
Then, a hundred or so years later in 1870, whitie boat people arrived, stole Maori land and imposed their own name, Gisborne, on the place.
And who was Gisborne? William Gisborne was the colonial secretary of a racist regime which was indulged in land theft from Maori on a grand scale.
In other words, a piece of filth just like those slavers in the USA back in the day. Scumbags like that don't deserve to be honoured with having places named after them, or statues of them being erected.
It already had a name. Today's whitie shreak & scream when Chinese immigrants impose their own names on suburbs in Auckland they have virtually taken over.
Yet those same whitie who shreak & scream over that think there was nothing wrong with their own ancestors slapping whitie names on places which already had a name.
You should have seen all of the racists come out of the woodwork when the Treaty of Waitangi settlement with local iwi in Taranaki including Mount Egmont reverting to its previous name of Taranaki.
You'd be amazed at the nasty, racist shit they threw around at local Maori accusing them of trampling all over English culture.
Excuse me, but most of those racists are living on land STOLEN from Maori and in places which have English names, but which already had Maori placenames when their ancestors indulged in land theft.
As far as I'm concerned, if there is a dispute over the name of a place, the oldest name should always have precedence.
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Post by caskur on Jul 28, 2020 19:32:19 GMT 10
It's called, they Paid the Iron Price...
That is what happens to conquered people. Sadly it happens still like the Chinese taking Tibet.
Was the new English and Scottish bad or did they help the indigenous? Did they make land improvements?
Did they not trade goods? Why are you only seeing the negative?
Even though it's stolen land as you claim, it is now improved land isn't it?
I agree that places already had a name and those names should have stayed but on the flip side, how do you really know if something was stolen or the Maori gave sections away for a price? You never had segregation like the Americans.
I remember when the Europeans went into New Guinea to mine gold. The natives only wanted sea shells as payment. They saw sea shells were valuable to them so that is what they were paid. Of course we know that gold is more valuable than shells but as long as they worked for what they wanted at that time... they were still paid.
You cannot live in the past. We live in 2020 so get on with it and make sure we are not invaded and bad history doesn't repeat itself.
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Post by bender on Jul 28, 2020 19:41:59 GMT 10
So if someone steals your car but notices it needs a wash and new tyres along with a tank of fuel and does those things then in your opinion they should be allowed to keep it and you should just shut up about it because they "improved" your car?
Is that the argument you're trying here Caskur?
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Post by caskur on Jul 28, 2020 19:53:13 GMT 10
So if someone steals your car but notices it needs a wash and new tyres along with a tank of fuel and does those things then in your opinion they should be allowed to keep it and you should just shut up about it because they "improved" your car? Is that the argument you're trying here Caskur? When you apologize to the indigenous on behalf of your ancestors, then return to their lands, I'll take you seriously... until then... indigenous have stolen two of my cars... and last year on the 18 of March and while I was home walked into my house into my bedroom and took off with my jewelry box and several thousand dollars worth of jewelry... so they can go fuck themselves for all I care. they're bigger thieves than our thieving government. And that's saying something.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jul 30, 2020 12:41:59 GMT 10
Really?* Apparently, the name will be no more. Coon cheese is named after its American creator, Edward William Coon (1871–1934) of Philadelphia, who patented a method, subsequently known as the Cooning process, for fast maturation of cheese via high temperature and humidity. * Now, await the Pavlov's dogs responses ... I've never heard of this cheese. But I have black friends who would take a picture with it while eating a bucket of fried chicken, watermelon, and grape soda. They love making fun of racial stereotypes.
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Post by Gort on Jul 30, 2020 12:51:28 GMT 10
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