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Post by Gort on Oct 21, 2020 14:29:05 GMT 10
Sing-a-long with Labor. DesperadoEagles Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one But I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you Can hurt you somehow Don't you draw the Queen of Diamonds, boy She'll beat you if she's able You know the Queen of Hearts is always your best bet Now, it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh, you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home And freedom, oh, freedom, well, that's just some people talkin' Your prison is walkin' through this world all alone Don't your feet get cold in the winter time? The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine It's hard to tell the nighttime from the day You're losin' all your highs and lows Ain't it funny how the feeling goes away? Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? Come down from your fences, open the gate It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you You better let somebody love you (let somebody love you) You better let somebody love you Before it's too late Songwriters: Glenn Lewis Frey / Don Hugh Henley
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Post by pim on Oct 21, 2020 22:28:03 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Oct 21, 2020 22:31:20 GMT 10
FBI Labels Fringe Conspiracy Theories as Domestic Terrorism ThreatDANGER ALERT Marianne Dodson Published Aug. 01, 2019 www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-warns-against-qanon-pizzagate-in-report-highlighting-dangers-of-fringe-conspiracy-theoriesThe Federal Bureau of Investigation believes conspiracy theories like QAnon and Pizzagate pose a domestic-terrorism threat, Yahoo News reports. A previously unpublished FBI bulletin from May 30 says that for the first time the agency is labelling “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists” as a growing threat. The report points to fringe conspiracy theories as being potentially harmful and having the potential to expand in the 2020 election cycle. “The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the document says. In the report, the FBI specifically cites multiple cases of conspiracy-driven violence, including a California man found in possession of a bomb who referenced Pizzagate and the New World Order, as well as the Pittsburgh shooter who killed 11 people at the Tree of Life Synagogue and had posted anti-Semitic content on social media.
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Post by pim on Jan 7, 2021 7:40:30 GMT 10
With One Presidential Phone Call, QAnon Shows Its Powerwww.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/trump-qanon-georgia-call.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=HomepageThe sprawling online conspiracy network is at the center of Trump’s attempt to overturn the election.Farhad Manjoo. Opinion Columnist. Jan. 6, 2021 Forgive me for failing, at first, to find much news in the news that President Trump had pressured officials in Georgia to overturn the election results. That he had been caught doing so on tape was even more dog-bites-man. Not many people remember this, but we once had a lengthy impeachment hearing centered on a corrupt Trump phone call. It’s only natural that he’d reprise his biggest hit — “Perfect Call Feat. Senate Toadies” — in his grand finale as president. Then I spent an hour listening to the full recording of Trump’s call, and my stomach sank. What got me was how thoroughly Trump’s arguments involved conspiracy theories hatched or spread by QAnon, the online cultlike thing that seems to be gaining a death grip on the American right. In that phone call, I heard a president who is somehow both rabbit and rabbit hole — as much a rabid consumer of online conspiracy propaganda as he is a producer of it. The plot to undo the 2020 election isn’t Trump’s alone — it is also the product of a sprawling online phenomenon whose goals, logic and methods are as unpredictable as the internet itself. Trump will soon step out of office, but that won’t diminish his standing with a conspiracy-media apparatus that has become so adept at transforming rumor into political reality. Through QAnon, the mendacity that has defined the Trump era will remain an enduring feature of right-wing politics, long after Trump slinks away. QAnon originated in 2017 as an exceptionally bizarre conspiracy theory, centered around the premise that the country is run by a cabal of pedophiles whom Trump is bringing down. It has since morphed into something even stranger. More than a single conspiracy theory, QAnon is best regarded as a general-purpose conspiracy infrastructure, spreading lies across a range of subjects, from coronavirus denial to mask and vaccine skepticism and, now, to a grab bag of theories about election fraud. The movement’s acolytes take inspiration and guidance from the eponymous Q, an anonymous figure who has posted cryptic notes on the troll-infested internet forums 4Chan and 8Kun. But QAnon’s theories don’t come down fully formed from Q, nor from Trump; in a manner that resembles an online game, they are created collectively, giving the movement a flexible, almost religious quality. QAnon’s participatory thrill has alarmed misinformation researchers. Because every pronouncement from Q can spark endless “research” and commentary, new adherents are made to feel like they have a role in uncovering the deepest secrets about the world. “It is insufficient to be persuaded by the anti-vax or QAnon movements — those who’ve joined the movement feel an obligation to share the ‘truth’ with those who’ve yet to be enlightened,” the media scholar Ethan Zuckerman wrote in 2019. “Those who are most successful in converting others are rewarded with attention, a commodity that is easily convertible into other currencies.” In the Church of Q, Donald Trump is the one and only messiah. But the Georgia call shows how fully he participates in it, too. Travis View, a co-host of the excellent Q-tracking podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” told me that when Trump was rattling off his litany of false claims on the call, “he was sounding a lot like a thread on the Q research board, on which people spit out ideas, conspiracy theories and snippets, and people sort of build upon them.” View described a symbiotic relationship between Trump, QAnon message boards and pro-Trump news outlets like One America News and Newsmax. It’s a bit like jazz musicians improvising, each one punching up the other’s riff. “We’ve seen OAN and Newsmax basically regurgitate baseless conspiracy theories from QAnon world,” View said. The stories from pro-Trump outlets “get into Trump’s brain, and then he regurgitates them back, and of course because he’s regurgitating the conspiracy theories he heard on the internet, all the internet conspiracy theorists believe that their conspiracy theory is validated, because Trump repeated it.” On the call, Trump claimed that voting machines made by a company called Dominion Voting Systems were rigged to help Biden win. The theory has been debunked; it is also moot, because officials in Georgia confirmed Biden’s victory through a hand recount of paper ballots. The Dominion idea was one of several stolen-election theories that started on QAnon-friendly forums. Pro-Trump outlets then echoed the theory — as NBC News recently pointed out, Ron Watkins, the administrator of 8Kun, has been featured on One America News as a voting-systems expert, which he is not. When Trump inevitably tweeted out the OAN segment, the circle was complete: OAN had given its aggrieved audience “news” that confirmed its belief in the conspiracy. Trump promoted self-serving misinformation, and QAnon grew just a little bit more powerful. The atmosphere of fear and mistrust that has pervaded America’s response to the pandemic has been very good for QAnon, and now this dangerous movement holds real political power. In November, Marjorie Taylor Greene, a QAnon supporter, won a seat representing Georgia’s 14th District in the House of Representatives. Some Republican officials have attempted to downplay Greene’s political success and distance themselves from her ideas, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Greene becomes a G.O.P. star. On Monday, at Trump’s rally to support the two Republicans running in Georgia’s Senate runoffs, the crowd’s wildest cheers came when Greene took the stage. The audience sounded much more enthusiastic about Greene than about Kelly Loeffler, one of the actual Republican candidates. If the Republican Party has given up entirely on fighting QAnon’s influence, it might be because Q has grown too big to tame. Late last month, NPR and Ipsos published the disturbing results of a poll assessing QAnon’s hold on the nation. People who responded to the survey were asked whether it was true or false that “a group of Satan-worshiping elites who run a child sex ring are trying to control our politics and media,” QAnon’s central lie. Seventeen percent said “true,” and 37 percent more said they didn’t know. In other words, a majority of Americans think it is at least possible that QAnon’s nuttiest theory might be fact. A third of respondents also said that voter fraud had helped Biden win. This level of influence isn’t going to disappear at noon on Jan. 20. QAnon’s vast reach, and Trump’s deep hold on it, are here to stay.
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Post by ponto on Jan 7, 2021 8:50:24 GMT 10
What more proof is needed to show the RW are no right in the head....and Trump carry's on like a RW dictator.
And where is Scotty FM with the Washington Trump protest ....all quite.
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Post by ponto on Jan 7, 2021 10:28:47 GMT 10
ScoMo must of seen my comment...he has now come out and condemn the banana republic.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 9:15:56 GMT 10
ScoMo must of seen my comment...he has now come out and condemn the banana republic. In fact, Morrison released a statement 10 minutes prior to your post. Very distressing scenes at the US Congress. We condemn these acts of violence and look forward to a peaceful transfer of Government to the newly elected administration in the great American democratic tradition.9:40 AM · 2021 urt. 7·Twitter for iPhone Oh, BTW ... Morrison was correct to limit his comments the way he did ... Remember the way people (rightly) ripped into Howard when he tried to meddle in US politics? That disgusting remark Howard made in 2007 about a possible Obama win? JOHN HOWARD, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: If I were running Al-Qaeda in Iraq I would put a circle around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for the Democrats.www.abc.net.au/7.30/howard-creates-controversy-with-obama-comments/2680122I think Morrison hit the right level regarding the events of yesterday.
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Post by ponto on Jan 8, 2021 9:53:03 GMT 10
Howards just shows the RW are not right in the head....been saying that for years.
While ScoMotic has condemned the violence of Trump supporters he should be like many world leaders in western democracies condemning the violence instigated by Trump....even Murdoch is back peddling support for the orange clown, because business is now saying they will stop donating to the republicans if they keep on with Trumpism...he is bad news for business.
Merkel's made a comparison with Hitler and Boris Johnston blamed Trump for instigating the sedition riot.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 10:07:03 GMT 10
I reckon the right level of remark was made.
It's pointless going for a headline grab when the bum Trump is going to be gone in 12 or 13 days anyway.
If it was wrong for Howard to interfere back in 2007, it should be wrong for Morrison to interfere in 2021.
Truly "diplomatic speak" has been a lost art for many years. Perhaps it is time for that lost art to make a comeback.
Hopefully there will be at least 8 years of Democratic rule in the US ... it may take at least that long for the US to heal.
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Post by ponto on Jan 8, 2021 10:23:32 GMT 10
What will happen is those Trump supporters many unmasked and some republicans saying it was all anti-fa will be the ones charged and fined or jail time not Trump who incited the violence. When ScoMort, who doesn't want to hand back his medal of merit for being a Qanon/Trump supporter before the nations interest, is just pussyfooting around...other leaders have voiced stronger opinions of Trump's act of sedition against democracy as they should. If Trump gets away with inciting mob violence it will set a precedent for future populist leaders to use mob violence as a weapon to stay in power and beat their opponents. It is the company that you keep.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 10:29:13 GMT 10
Trump; Giuliani et al should be charged and jailed.
They probably won't be, but at a minimum, Trump should be impeached to ensure he cannot run for President again.
That's a matter for the US.
Morrison should keep out of it: limiting his remarks to what he has already said.
It is Morrison's job to continue relations with the US and welcome Biden as the new President, which I am sure he will do.
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 11:11:03 GMT 10
Trickles likes his prime ministers to be mealy mouthed and piss weak. He can’t handle forthright robustness in the national interest. There’s a good adjective to describe the mealy mouthed response by Scotty from Marketing to the Trump Sedition Caucus’ “burning the Reichstag” moment: pusillanimous.
Pusillanimous: showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.
And that’s our current prime minister. After all Donald Trump gave him a bauble when it was only a year ago his fellow Australians, victims of bushfires, treated him like the pariah that he is.
Even Boris Johnson rejected the piss weak pusillanimous approach of Scotty from Marketing and went for Trump’s jugular:
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 11:17:12 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Jan 8, 2021 11:19:42 GMT 10
You forget GortMo when ScoMort went to the US earlier this year it was to campaign with Trump, he cannot distance himself that quickly and many of the coalition have bought into the QAnon Trump alternative truths, that isn't so easily brushed aside... (QAnon now saying the rioters were Anti-Fa and people will buy into that).....while the Trump ScoMo association probably will not gain traction it should not be forgotten the association with extreme RW ideology with a she'll be right move on,..because I doubt Trump will fade into the sunset, he will continue to cause trouble with his followers...civil war.
Australia niggling attacks on China and the calling on the covid investigation was at the instigation of Trump,.... who like as he was going to walk with protestors he incited and ended miles away leaving them to be punished,.... left Australia carrying the bag on the China rhetoric, and while some European countries signed onto the investigation not so with Trumps America, ScoMo's medal was for being a TRump sucker, conclude it would be unwise to forget ScoMo's involvement with Trump and his bad behaviour.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 11:55:24 GMT 10
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Post by Stellar on Jan 8, 2021 12:03:33 GMT 10
ScoMo is in no position to upset 70 million Americans who voted for Trump. Even though the latest events have been alarming, most of those 70 million Americans are law-abiding citizens. He should stay right out of it and leave it up to those Republicans themselves to condemn Trump's behaviour. Although he's already done that, hasn't he? I think he's said what needed to be said.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 12:05:54 GMT 10
ScoMo is in no position to upset 70 million Americans who voted for Trump. Even though the latest events have been alarming, most of those 70 million Americans are law-abiding citizens. He should stay right out of it and leave it up to those Republicans themselves to condemn Trump's behaviour. Although he's already done that, hasn't he? I think he's said what needed to be said. I agree.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 12:14:40 GMT 10
Trickles likes his prime ministers to be mealy mouthed and piss weak. .. I prefer Prime Ministers to be discreet and statesmanlike. My ideal would be rarely seen and heard even less.
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 13:20:33 GMT 10
I reckon the right level of remark was made. It's pointless going for a headline grab when the bum Trump is going to be gone in 12 or 13 days anyway. If it was wrong for Howard to interfere back in 2007, it should be wrong for Morrison to interfere in 2021. Truly "diplomatic speak" has been a lost art for many years. Perhaps it is time for that lost art to make a comeback. Hopefully there will be at least 8 years of Democratic rule in the US ... it may take at least that long for the US to heal. I note that Jacinda the Magnificent hit the right tone also:
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 13:31:51 GMT 10
My ideal would be rarely seen and heard even less. You should take your own advice Trickles!
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Post by ponto on Jan 8, 2021 17:50:26 GMT 10
Typical ScoMo sychophants spreading disinformation much the same as Joe Hockey, Matt Canavan and George Christensen were spruiking disinformation that the US election was rigged, now GortMo is denying ScoMo who has/had a sycophant bromance with Trump did not attended a Ohio campaign rally with Trump both wearing MAGA caps which raised eyebrows in Australia....credibility they have none.
Let us not forget Stellar deriding Biden as a creepy pedo now stating she did not support Trump....shows how people are easily manipulated with disinformation.
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Post by pim on Jan 8, 2021 22:57:32 GMT 10
It’s the company you keep ...
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 23:04:29 GMT 10
Typical ScoMo sychophants spreading disinformation much the same as Joe Hockey, Matt Canavan and George Christensen were spruiking disinformation that the US election was rigged, now GortMo is denying ScoMo who has/had a sycophant bromance with Trump did not attended a Ohio campaign rally with Trump both wearing MAGA caps which raised eyebrows in Australia....credibility they have none. Let us not forget Stellar deriding Biden as a creepy pedo now stating she did not support Trump....shows how people are easily manipulated with disinformation. That event was during the official visit in 2019 at Anthony Pratt's recycling plant. I don't recall Morrison wearing a "MAGA" hat. Can't find any such image using Google search either. Perhaps you can provide a link to such an image Ponts?
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Post by Gort on Jan 8, 2021 23:06:09 GMT 10
It’s the company you keep ... Yep:
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Post by ponto on Jan 9, 2021 3:01:50 GMT 10
Obviously a ScoMo sycophant would fail to see the Trump sycophant in Morrison. NEWS NATIONAL
10:44pm, Oct 17, 2018 Updated: 5:04pm, Oct 1
Scott Morrison’s Australia resembles the 51st American state
Scott Morrison promoted fellow coal backers to key positions when he became Prime Minister. Photo: AAP “We’re a sovereign nation,” said Scott Morrison. And then proceeded to act as if we were not, as if Australia was not merely an American vassal, but a Donald Trump toy. Australia has a long history of being less than independent – some 230 years as a subservient identity of one kind or another. Whether as a colonial possession, obedient Empire member or American client state, it has at least been operating on a nation-to-nation basis since 1901. That has suddenly changed with Scott Morrison as Prime Minister. In short order we’ve been positioned as a policy extension of an odd cabal’s dangerous and simplistic nationalism. It is unfair to the United States and Americans to consider Donald Trump is that nation. Yes, thanks to the minority of Americans who voted for him, he occupies the White House and his Bedlam picks make up the cabinet, but America is bigger than that. If you have any faith in human nature, you have to believe that Mr Trump, too, will pass, and the better fundamental – as opposed to fundamentalist – values of the United States will reassert themselves. While waiting for that, pretty much the rest of the civilised world is holding its breath, holding on while navigating around the toddler president and his destructive policies on everything from the World Trade Organisation to the International Criminal Court to the Paris agreement to the Middle East to stacking the US Supreme Court to Sinophobia to sundry despots to protectionism to America’s fiscal imbalances and whimsical extraterritoriality. Not Scott Morrison’s Australia. Almost alone in the world, we’ve gone MAGA – donning one of Trump “Make America Great Again” caps to presage falling into line on a Jerusalem embassy and the international Iranian nuclear agreement, declaring we are “allies” with Israel, never mind the “administrative error” of the coalition’s “It’s OK to be white” vote. We’re the country Mr Trump’s rabid national security adviser, John Bolton, praises for increasing naval co-operation with the US in the South China Sea. Ours is the government that has joined Mr Trump in hugging coal, that has effectively followed him in abandoning the Paris Agreement. None of this lurch into TrumpWorld is in Australia’s best interests. Leaving aside any question of principles, Australia has zero to gain and plenty to lose by meddling in Byzantine Middle East politics. Ditching 70 years of diplomatic balancing to float endorsing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital angers those we would gain to have as friends and is irrelevant to our longer-term relationship with the US and Israel. The unholy alliance of Israel and Saudi Arabia (never mind present unpleasantries over apparently murdering a journalist) appear to be calling Mr Trump’s policy shots on Iran, capitalising on the egomaniac’s hatred of anything achieved by Barack Obama. At some stage, the rest of the west will be forced to say “enough”. We’re placing ourselves on the wrong side of economic history by embracing coal and denigrating renewables, never mind climate disruption.
And, most obviously, the further we go along with the Trump regime escalating China tensions, the more we put at risk our most important trade relationship.
The Sinophobe spook industry is thriving here with an apparent lack of suitably sceptical checks on its ambitions. China is troublesome and is behaving as badly as all great powers tend to act, but it happens to be the great power that matters and will matter most to us. It would be nice to think Scott Morrison is wearing the figurative MAGA cap out of the same sort of innocent stupidity allegedly behind the “OK to be White” vote and the appointment of Melissa Price as environment minister. The danger is that it’s something worse. I’m of the school that a person’s faith is their own business as long as they don’t try to impose it on anyone else and the separation of church and state is maintained. However, in trying to understand this lurch into TrumpWorld, I can’t ignore that fundamentalist Christians are key Trump supporters in the US. At the extreme, they lobby for supporting Israel as a means of hurrying along Armageddon. It would seem absurd to think that the fundamentalist Christian elements in the Australian government are going along with their American peers. But it’s also absurd to think anyone who takes Christianity seriously could support Mr Trump. And wait there's more.... Malcolm Turnbull blamed Trump, also savaged Rupert Murdoch 's media empire The former PM also criticised Scott Morrison for failing to condemn Trump By CHARLIE MOORE, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has accused Donald Trump of causing 'one of the darkest days in US history' after his supporters stormed the Capitol. Dozens of Trump supporters breached the security perimeter and entered the Capitol on Wednesday afternoon as Congress voted to affirm Biden's presidential win. One woman was shot dead and several police were injured. Mr Turnbull laid the blame at the President's feet and also savaged Rupert Murdoch's media empire which includes Fox News, a TV channel that supported Trump for most of his presidency. 'It was incited by the president. This has been building up for a while. Trump, supported by his enablers in the Republican party and right-wing media, particularly Murdoch, have been assaulting democracy and the rule of law in America for years,' Mr Turnbull told Nine's Today show. 'Leaders have an obligation to bring their communities, their countries together. Trump, on the other hand, has sought to exacerbate and exploit divisions. 'He sought to turn Americans against each other to advance his own political interest, and in doing so, he has been supported by powerful voices in politics and in the media,' Mr Turnbull added. President Trump has been accused of inciting the violence after spending weeks repeating false claims that the election was fraudulent. Mr Turnbull also criticised current Prime Minster Scott Morrison for not condemning Trump strongly enough. Mr Morrison had condemned Trump supporters in a tweet but refused to criticise the President. 'The riots and protests that we've seen in Washington DC have been terribly distressing,' he told reporters. On Thursday night Mr Turnbull told ABC News that Mr Morrison's response was 'a bit weak' and 'a bit tepid.' Overnight UK PM Boris Johnson Johnson was much stronger, saying: 'In so far as he encouraged people to storm the Capitol, and in so far as the president consistently has cast doubt on the outcome of a free and fair election, I believe that that was completely wrong.'
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