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Post by KTJ on Sept 1, 2019 21:30:13 GMT 10
Oooooooh ... yet another “Display Post” button.
Something is really fucked-up with this ProBoards-hosted group, eh?
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Post by KTJ on Sept 1, 2019 21:48:40 GMT 10
Yep, something is definitely fucked-up with this group.
Yet another “Display Post” button has appeared.
Oh well, off to bed 'cause it's almost midnight. Tomorrow's another day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 4:22:40 GMT 10
You sneer at Labour....
For the sake of trust in politics Tim Wilson must go – the problem is he can't see that
Tim Wilson, in his hurry to ‘help’, has overreached and anyone can see his position isn’t tenable
Katharine Murphy Political editor @murpharoo
Wed 6 Feb 2019 16.34 AEDT
Economics committee chair Tim Wilson has been accused of authorising a partisan campaign against Labor’s franking credits policy. Photograph: Lukas Coch/AAP
If it wasn’t already obvious, we have entered the “whatever it takes” stage of proceedings.
The Coalition wants to get back into the contest, and is on the hunt for the knockout blow, or blows. The core objective at the moment is to get the whole country roiling about Labor’s “retirement tax” (that isn’t a tax, just like the carbon tax was never a tax despite what Tony told us).
The franking credits issue has become a proxy for “Labor will steal what’s yours and drive the country off the cliff”.
The means to achieving that end are unimportant. Whatever it takes, by whatever means, as long as voters are hearing the static, and wondering whether a new Labor government would embark on a wild-eyed outbreak of redistribution, and screw up the economy.
It’s that mindset that leads you to a place where you can establish an “inquiry” into a “retirement tax” (that isn’t a tax), funded by the taxpayer (thanks for that guys), and think it’s fine for the chairman of the relevant parliamentary committee (in this case Tim Wilson) to authorise what is clearly an accompanying, partisan campaign website (endorsed by him in his committee capacity) in order to better funnel outrage to the main event.
Again, in that mindset, it’s OK for Wilson to decline to answer direct questions about who is funding that campaign website which is pushing submissions into the taxpayer-funded process. I don’t have to disclose that information, so I won’t.
Voters keen to understand who is exerting influence in their democracy can talk to the hand. We decide the (taxpayer-subsidised) echo chambers, and the circumstances in which they come into being.
It’s also OK, when that mindset descends, for members of the government to hand out Liberal party membership forms to retirees concerned about the changes during a taxpayer-funded hearing of the standing committee on economics.
It’s OK, too, for Wilson to draft up pro-forma submissions to his own inquiry, submissions he will later have to assess as evidence. On Wilson’s rationale, doing that is fine, because people can amend his pro-forma wording, so not all the submissions he will be assessing will have been written by him. Phew, huh? What a relief.
It’s also OK – amazingly – to be a shareholder in Wilson Asset Management (owned by Geoff Wilson, a different Wilson and a distant relative), and coordinate with that same fund manager to get opponents of the policy out with placards at the same time as taxpayer-funded hearings are happening.
Nothing to see here guys. Everything is awesome.
Lest I sound naive, a few observations.
The Coalition is perfectly entitled to be combative about Labor’s franking credits policy and campaign against it. We can also observe that at least some of Labor’s escalating outrage about Wilson’s activities is motivated by a desire to discredit the current roadshows.
I’m one of those weirdos who likes facts and thinks words should have meaning, but I also acknowledge the Coalition can call Labor’s policy a “retirement tax” when it very clearly isn’t. It can engage in fatuous and misleading made-for-2GB hyperbole if it wants to continue to race to the bottom, and be congratulated for that in some quarters and called out in others.
When it comes to the sanctity of committees, a few things can be observed. Parliamentary committee proceedings often contain an element of partisanship. There are split reports, and grandstanding happens, and third parties leverage their campaigns off these inquiries as a matter of routine.
But the Wilson frolic is brazen enough, and feckless enough, to take us into new levels of egregiousness as far as parliamentary conventions are concerned, and it takes us there at a time when lots of voters have reached the conclusion that politics stinks.
What is impossible to fathom, even though I keep showing up and watching this slow unravelling every day, is why politicians are willing participants in a game show called Let’s Show the Public We Stink.
When there are low-level, noxious fumes emanating from the Canberra complex sufficient to make people wonder whether they can trust the institution of professional politics, the answer seems to be, I know, let’s generate more stink.
Can anyone tell me this, because I think about it a lot and I don’t know the answer: why are politicians content to trash conventions that matter for two minutes of short-term advantage?
It astounds me that self-preservation doesn’t kick in at some point; that someone doesn’t ask what are the consequences of this action I’m taking? Will my opponents adopt my bit of mission creep and turn it back against me? Will voters trust me?
What thread am I pulling here, and will the fraying impact me in ways that make it impossible seek a mandate to do my job?
The foundational question is this: does representative politics continue to work when the citizenry doesn’t know whose interests are being represented? It’s the question being asked in every major democracy in the world right now.
Tim Wilson in his hurry to advance, or to “help”, has overreached, and anyone who cares about parliamentary conventions can see his position isn’t tenable.
Unfortunately Wilson can’t see it, and that, right there, is our problem....nor can NoMo see it.
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Post by pim on Oct 22, 2019 7:20:37 GMT 10
I’m touched by your dogged faith in facts and rational argument, Ponto. Truly! I am! And I share Kathryn Murphy’s sentiments. She’s one of my favourite journalists and, along with Lenore Taylor, is a “must read” when I get my daily fix of the Guardian. But I realise that you weren’t directing the Kathryn Murphy article at me, but at Trickles. Do you think that your dogged faith in facts and rational argument will make a difference? With Trickles? When his purpose on the board is The three T’s: to trivialise, to troll and to trash? Do you think that if you look at it from a cost/benefit standpoint that there’s a law of diminishing returns that operates here? I admire you for trying but my advice, for what it’s worth, would be to stop trying
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:01:35 GMT 10
Short answer is no....then its a responsibility to tell a fellow member they behaved like a fuckwit in voting LNP...rub there nose in it...
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Post by Gort on Oct 22, 2019 8:32:52 GMT 10
"If you don't like our policies, don't vote for us."On a primary basis, Newspoll found the coalition had 42 per cent popular support against Labor on 33 per cent. Labor = The LOWEST PRIMARY SHARE for 85 years.
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Post by pim on Oct 22, 2019 8:39:11 GMT 10
Change “Three T’s” to “Four T’s”: Trickles, Trivialise, Troll and Trash. Observe the way it operates. Then flick the switch to “Ignore”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:30:05 GMT 10
Partisan ignore the LNP shit and focus on the Labor crap...I'm all right jack I've got my franking credit welfare.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:13:44 GMT 10
Clearly ScoMo ran an effective smear campaign against Labor built on lies...and I don't know what Labor is going to do, the concern is what LNP are doing....which is fuck all on everything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 18:38:50 GMT 10
The next federal election is sometime around September 2022 or if ScoMo calls it before hand....we know the reasons why Labor bombed out, Queensland and coal, franking credits qnd Bowen adopting a haughty attitude of if you don't like it don't vote for it, which was dumb, adverse Murdoch media, an unpopular leader, and dodgy polling.
Keep in mind that what changed after the election ...LNP won 2 more seats ...Labor lost 2.
Given the huge disparity in advertising funding the LNP side collectively with fat bastard Palmer used 4 times as much as Labor in anti Labor advertising alone concludes Labor will have to spend more on advertising to counter the Murdoch and Palmer influencer media and people like you spreading misinformation.
Labor had a big fall in Qld where the Adani mine issue played a big factor, Bob Brown hole protest was the most damaging effect in that scenario. While Qld is resource rich most of the jobs in Qld are in the service sector such as tourism, and if the barrier reef is dead then jobs are lost big time...Labor has the potential to win Qld back especially when Adani proves to be a white elephant with job numbers.
The misleading polling gave Labor false confidence to introduce big policies, that the country needed, next time save the big policy changes when in government and that's what they are planning by the looks of it so far, given the time frame to next election no policies have been set in concrete.
For climate change crisis Labor will have to work constructively with the Greens, to stop Bob going bananas, the next election is winnable for Labor, mistake is to write them off so soon.
Bottom line.....given how the LNP are tracking with a Trumpo wanna be....why do you feel no remorse for voting for LNP mediocrity when Labor had the big policies...because all along you are conservative...a fraudster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:06:37 GMT 10
Read, ignore,learn nothing...keep influencing a dishonest LNP campaign...conservatism is better than Labor ideology.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:37:20 GMT 10
You focus NoMo Wilson on not in power Labor while ignoring what the LNP are doing now such as how their interest rate cuts are effecting retirees super income, or how they condemn the banks for not reducing their interest rates further but have not cut their interests rates at all for pensioner loans.....I got my franking credits and going to be sanctimonious about it is going to be annoying and a affront to others and you don't get it.
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Post by pim on Nov 9, 2019 23:01:20 GMT 10
Rubbish
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Post by pim on Jan 19, 2020 12:53:16 GMT 10
Oh so it's about Albo now? Still practising opposition politics and pretending that the way you voted last May didn't help elect the government we all ended up with?
What a hopeless fuckwit you are, Trickles.
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Post by pim on Jan 19, 2020 13:13:49 GMT 10
It's climate change. Stupid. But when Stupid doesn't want to know there's not much you can do. People have the right to be fuckwits but when a fuckwit is such a fuckwit that he's convinced that he's endowed with wisdom and insight ... Explain to me what should be done with Malcolm Roberts and that'll give us an idea what to do with Trickles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:12:43 GMT 10
LNP emissions target....no reduction policy.....keep it burnin’...increase the emissions ....fuckwit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 1:19:39 GMT 10
Its people like SnoMo who just don't consider it has been the conservatives who have set with a disinformation program of no carbon tax policies and a no emissions reduction agenda Australia wallows in a malaise of do nothing today.
Give them credit for being effective marketers aided by the Murdoch press and RW commentators and the mining lobby to reduce Australia to climate denying fuckwits more worried about their franking credits even if they don't have shares....while countries like Germany will be phasing out coal and coal powered plants by 2038.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 23:28:37 GMT 10
Challenge for Albo is the negative press, paid influencer's and the negativity from conservatives who would want to distract the punters with Labor Labor Labor to change the focus off the conservatives who are blatant fuckwits.
Albo is not playing their game.
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Post by pim on Jan 23, 2020 23:46:27 GMT 10
Trickles is indulging in his usual agenda-laden anti Labor nitpicking. It’s classic “perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good” stuff. You take a compromise made by an opposition leader who is obliged by the circumstances that he & his party find themselves in to choose his battles judiciously and not to allow himself to be wedged by his political opponents who are coming under immense pressure because their utter bankruptcy on climate change has been exposed by the ongoing and unremitting bushfire catastrophe so they’d be desperate to find a distraction to enable them to shriek: “Look! Over there! Labor! Labor! Labor!”
So I guess by Trickles’ “logic” Albo’s refusal to allow himself to be wedged on Invasion Day makes voting Liberal a no-brainer. Yeah right. Be patriotic Trickles. Suck a saveloy on 26 January.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 11:34:52 GMT 10
Your ScoMo is a complete fuckwit....no comparison.
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Post by pim on Jan 24, 2020 13:55:56 GMT 10
You mean Trickles that you're incapable of working it out for yourself? Oh of course Scotty from Marketing helped you.
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Post by pim on Jan 24, 2020 15:50:53 GMT 10
Dear oh dear you are touchy! You said you needed convincing about who to vote for (it's all personalities and populist claptrap with you isn't it), It's reasonable to wonder if you're capable of working it out for yourself since you need "convincing". All very "marketing". And of course it hit me: Scotty from Marketing! He helped you! I point that out and you chuck a wobbly and burst into tears. What a wuss.
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Post by pim on Jan 24, 2020 16:05:08 GMT 10
Lol. What chickenshit
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Post by pim on Mar 13, 2020 22:57:39 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 18:02:40 GMT 10
Conservatives are that backward they can only be described as dumb...
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