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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 15:16:14 GMT 10
Spam & Eggs
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Post by pim on Jun 28, 2019 17:37:39 GMT 10
Damn! Why didn't I think of that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 2:28:30 GMT 10
As a diversion how about some bi partisan poetic spam....
The ErlKing Who rides so late through the wind and night? It’s a father with his child so light: He clasps the boy close in his arms, Holds him fast, and keeps him warm. ‘My son, why hide your face, all scared? – ‘Don’t you see, Father, the Erlking’s there, The Alder-King with his crown and robe?’ – ‘My son, it’s the trail of mist that flows’. – ‘Come, dear child, come along with me! The games we’ll play will be fine and lovely: There’s many a bright flower by the water, Many gold garments has my Mother.’ ‘And Father, my Father, can’t you hear What the Erlking’s whispering in my ear?’ – ‘Peace, peace, my child, you’re listening To those dry leaves rustling in the wind.’- ‘Fine lad, won’t you come along with me? My lovely daughters your slaves shall be: My daughters dance every night, and they Will rock you, sing you, dance you away.’ ‘And Father, my Father, can’t you see where The Erlking’s daughters stand shadowy there? – ‘My Son, my Son, I can see them plain: It’s the ancient Willow-trees shining grey.’ ‘I love you, I’m charmed by your lovely form: And if you’re not willing, I’ll have to use force.’ ‘Father, my Father, he’s gripped me at last! The Erlking’s hurting me, holding me fast! – The Father shudders, faster he rides, Holding the moaning child so tight, Reaching the house, in fear and dread: But in his arms the child lies dead. Goethe
Well there we go...what a time to kick the bucket ...then its the promise of daughters...its funny how young blokes approaching death all they can think of is fucking sheilas in heaven....paradise must be a noisy joint with all sweaty grunting and moaning...s'pose paradise for women would be one with no blokes just wanting to root...such is life....
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Post by pim on Jun 30, 2019 13:15:29 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 16:08:30 GMT 10
Not a big fan of anything in particular Pim, other than being content. They say a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing...then I find it pays to be informed a little of everything including the arts. I thought of a dark classic Goethe poem as a suitable interlude in the proceedings, then given all the spam biz may has well been Burns and his love of Haggis...then that would have been a little sheepish.... Trickles inform yourself...Labor went to the election with doubts over the 3rd tax cut to the rich policy...who by no means are suffering with all the tax offsets they can get, such as trust accounts.....there is no reason for Labor to change its attitude simply to appease they neo Liberal LNP....fuck em.
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Post by caskur on Jun 30, 2019 20:15:45 GMT 10
I can't believe Labor endorses the idiot American woman, whats-her-name?
She needs to return to the States with Mike Nahan.
We need to make a rule in Australia. Only people born and live their whole lives in Australia should be in parliament.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 1:41:08 GMT 10
If you mean Kristina Keneally her mother was Australian and her husband is Australian.....she's 50 years old, intelligent and good looking every right to be in parliament....your vindictive splurge Cas reads like jealousy.
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Post by pim on Jul 1, 2019 1:46:51 GMT 10
And what’s more she is Australian.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 11:27:37 GMT 10
And would have a nice fancy citizen certificate...unlike a ordinary birth certificate.
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Post by pim on Jul 1, 2019 11:57:44 GMT 10
And would have a nice fancy citizen certificate...unlike a ordinary birth certificate. A Declaration of Australian Citizenship, issued under the provisions of the Nationality and Citizenship Act (1948) as amended on several occasions since then. If you were born before the proclamation of that Act - which doesn’t mean when Parliament voted it through or when the G-G of the day signed off on it, but when it was officially gazetted. That’s when Australian Citizenship was created. Not before. So that puts the official beginning of Australian Citizenship at sometime in 1949. If you are Australian born but you were born before 1949 then you were a British Subject at birth since at the time you were born Australian Citizenship didn’t exist. So suck on that one!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:44:54 GMT 10
Pommie bastards...!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 4:57:03 GMT 10
Labor dumb...LNP dumber to the point of idiocy...they are as mad as a clown with two dicks...
Labor's support for tax cuts is an unfathomable betrayal of principle Van Badham
What is Labor afraid of? Appeasing Liberal party policy merely allows them to legislate their madness without criticism
Labor’s new leader Anthony Albanese has surrendered meekly in his first big political fight. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian
The modern Liberal MP Tim Wilson gripped a copy of Milton Friedman’s Capitalism and Freedom as he affirmed his allegiance to the Queen before the new parliament this week.
There could not have been a clearer, more brightly-lit warning to Labor as to what defined the newly-reconstituted government they now faced, and what the tax cut debate was really about. Alas, those bright lights went unnoticed, or unheeded.
Observe: politicians either make their affirmation unencumbered by a text, or swear an oath on a holy book. Wilson’s choice to elevate Friedman’s libertarian-conservative “free market” polemic to the status of religious text defines the neoliberal zealotry of the modern Liberal party. Coalition's income tax cuts pass Senate in full as Labor backs down Read more
In Capitalism and Freedom, Friedman makes a case against medical licensing, denounced as a market obstruction. The logic goes that if doctors mutilate or kill people, the appropriate punishment is fewer paying customers.
In the very same tome, he demands replacing progressive taxation with a flat tax on income. Friedman is unbothered by the reduction in revenue to fund the business of government – for Wilson’s guru, the role of government is but to provide defence and protect private property.
Surprise! That’s the overt and covert basis of what the Coalition just legislated! By flattening the tax rate, the government is not merely gifting more treats to those on an annual salary of $200k plus. It is gouging $40bn a year from the commonwealth’s capacity to spend on those trivial things – pensions, schools, hospitals, housing, roads, action against impending environmental catastrophe – that citizens imagine are state obligations but which Friedman and acolytes consider distractions.
Not fighting the tax cuts on a jobs message was a staggering squib
The AFR was delightfully unadorned in its assessment. “The Morrison government – and potentially future governments,” it wrote “will need to exhibit spending discipline to afford the tax cuts and avoid driving the budget into a sustained deficit”.
Dear Australian Labor party; the impacts aren’t just cut services and crumbling buildings. They’re mass layoffs. Opportunities for governments to create jobs in the future will be sacrificed on the neoliberal altar.
The Morrison government insists the tax cuts will stimulate our slowing economy from the per capita recession we entered three financial quarters ago and – now that the election is over – they finally admit exists.
Ah, yes – “from the prophets, deserts come”. What the Liberals won’t admit, of course, is that the crisis of low wages, underemployment and poor economic growth underneath that slowdown results precisely from all these years of their own Friedmanesque policies. For six years, they’ve cut services, sacked public servants, capped and cut wages, stomped on unions and wage demands … The problems get worse. Their remedy? To apply more of the problem! Australian politics: subscribe by email Read more
It’s actually the remaining government investments – such as state government infrastructure spending – that have been propping up struggling growth figures and a poorly performing employment market. The promise to workers of tax cuts improving their prospects has already proven empty in America.
But zealots do not truck in facts. Instead, they evangelise their beliefs with such conviction they inveigle others into their fantasies. Repeating the government’s “stimulus” mantra, independent senator Jacqui Lambie voted up tax cuts to get modest social housing investment in Tasmania. The $157m for life-changing housing represents 0.1% of the potential spend the senator has traded away from everyone else.
Like Labor, Lambie did not have enthusiasm for the “third tranche” cuts that will reward the richest Australians the most, and at the greatest expense. Her claim that the Liberals will surely reverse the policy should it become too costly sure is an act of faith.
Alas, her vote, plus that of other crossbenchers, got the tax cuts over the line. Why, then, the Labor party – whose very platform commits them to progressive taxation, who barely lost a very close election two months ago on an explicit social-democratic platform, whose most notorious neoliberal has renounced the ideology of Friedman as “a dead end” – chose to throw their powerless votes behind failed economics and recruit themselves into complicity with an inevitable destruction of jobs … is just unfathomable.
Waleed Aly penned an articulate ideological riposte to Labor’s betrayal of principle. My criticism is pragmatic. There are 15 months before even a territory election obliges more caution. There is no cost to Labor now battling every parliamentary bout around the one simple, economic offer it can make to the electorate but which Liberal ideology prevents: Labor will protect jobs, and create jobs in the places – and spaces, like for the climate – where jobs are needed. Government's income tax cuts: what you'll get Read more
Not fighting the tax cuts on a jobs message was a staggering squib. What is Labor’s fear here? That the Liberals will smear it as high-taxing? That News Corp will join in? It is amazing the Labor politicians have not learned: their parliamentary votes are immaterial. Their enemies mount the same attacks – they’ll even make them up – as they have, every election since Federation. Appeasing Liberal party policy never negates their attack. It merely allows the Liberals to legislate their madness without criticism. Advertisement
The popular support Labor’s new leader, Anthony Albanese, enjoyed long before he even gained the leadership was based on a reputation for “fighting Tories”. Those who yearned for a dog in the political brawl who would show more teeth than the conciliatory, consensus politician Bill Shorten, have just watched their political animal enter its first actual fight, and roll over.
What is the appeal of capitulation to any part of the electorate?
Zealots, at least, have the confidence of their convictions. False converts, on the other hand, come across as craven. They come across as weak.
• Van Badham is a Guardian Australia columnistw
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Post by pim on Jul 6, 2019 10:36:42 GMT 10
Ponto I'm interested in engaging with you on this. I've put Trickles on "Ignore" so it's easier to do a workaround. I'm actually quite dismayed by the way Albo rolled over on the issue of tax. It goes to the most fundamental principles of the social democratic project that Labor parties are supposed to be about and that's progressive taxation on a sliding scale: the more you earn the more you pay. Albo was supposed to be the dog in the fight against the flat earth Liberal hard liners with their fruitcake notions of a flat tax. He was going to muscle up to them and thereby rally the forces of progress and light. But he blinked. And that's bitterly disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:38:35 GMT 10
Trickles is all LNP slogansneering and such as it goes one has to counter the trickledownomics bullshit.
I assume (there maybe other reasons) Albo capitulated because all the tax cuts was a done deal with the cross bencher's and they didn't want to be seen as negative towards tax cuts for low and middle income earners, it was all or nothing with coalition as well.
Now the economist are coming out b saying that the tax cuts for the rich will have a negative impact on the econom...pure capitalism does not equate to freedom...it creates more poverty and people treated as serfs.
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Post by pim on Jul 6, 2019 16:25:20 GMT 10
Trickles is all LNP slogansneering and such as it goes one has to counter the trickledownomics bullshit. I assume (there maybe other reasons) Albo capitulated because all the tax cuts was a done deal with the cross bencher's and they didn't want to be seen as negative towards tax cuts for low and middle income earners, it was all or nothing with coalition as well. Now the economist are coming out b saying that the tax cuts for the rich will have a negative impact on the econom...pure capitalism does not equate to freedom...it creates more poverty and people treated as serfs. I'm done with debating trickle down economics with flat earthers who are into gravity denial. It's as arid and fruitless a task as debating climate change with flat earthers who are into global warming denial. Under Bill Shorten the Labor Party actually started to move in a more progressive direction in terms of climate change and also social inequality - although I do admit that with their prevarication and two-bob-each-way on Adani prior to the election they didn't help themselves. Do you understand the word "pusillanimous"? It means "weak", "lacking in courage", "faint-hearted", "timid", "frightened of taking risks". In popular speech we'd say "chicken shit gutless". When Albo campaigned for the leadership against Bill Shorten in 2013 he promised to be a warrior and to take the fight up to The Liberals - who as you recall were led back then by Tony Abbott who as you'd also recall became prime minister by declaring "Make me prime minister or I'll wreck the fuckin' joint!" and proceeded to do just that. It was a very destructive period in Australian political life and I'd had a gutful of it. I'd always thought that you beat a thug not by playing his game but by playing to your own strengths. Tony Abbott got the Liberals into office in 2013 with nothing to offer but his destructive three word slogans. Bill Shorten offered the party membership a style of leadership that used the Whitlam model of party/policy/people. It was something Labor could do and with the Liberals having been captured by raving populist frothing-at-the-mouth flat earth obscurantists who are into gravity denial it was clearly something the Liberals could never do. So I supported Shorten and he delivered a Labor Party that was to the left in its policies of anything seen in the Labor Party since before Hawke/Keating. I applaud this and was enthusiastic about supporting it. I also know from the two Labor Party meetings I've participated in during the last month, both involving the state secretary as well as MPs and Labor candidates who stood in Liberal seats but didn't make it, that the Shorten perspective on what constitutes a Labor policy framework is what the rank-and-file members want. Progressive taxation on a sliding scale is what a progressive party should be all about. We don't want Albo to blink on this. The time for being pusillanimous is long past - if there was ever such a time. Basically the membership wants Albo to be brave and by blinking in the face of ScoMo's flat earth taxation snake oil he's let us down. If he stumbles at the first hurdle that's a very bad sign. P.S. I've still got Trickles on "ignore". I don't give a shit about his spamming and his trolling. Let him run crying to the mods about it. I'm still in "workaround" mode and am interested in what you have to say.
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Post by pim on Jul 6, 2019 17:34:35 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 4:47:02 GMT 10
Regardless of Shoro's strength's within the party and the positive progressive policies the bottom line is he managed to send Labor into the 'wilderness', and its Albo who has to bring the party back from the wilderness...not that the party is in the wilds they are still there in Canberra hanging around the campfire and relevant.....and another reason why Albo capitulated on the short visioned LNP Friedman tax polices, also the economy needs stimulus had they not agreed the LNP would have blamed Labor for the sinking economy...the LNP is in denial with the economy and Trickles highlights the fact is all they have is slogans and Labor Labor Labor destroy unions.
As it is much of the western world is in the grip of aspirational 'Capitalism and Freedom' ideology which doesn't bode well for the future with climate change or social equality and kiss good bye to universal health and public education, say hello to poverty and prisons while religiosity cheers on has followers seek a better life in the afterlife. Australia's National Parks are deliberately being underfunded by conservative governments as preserving the heritage of landscape and its flora and fuana interferes with the progress of capitalism and its relentless growth that will destroy the planet.....under conservatism its a bleak pessimistic future, and aspirational people (<read as selfish) like Trickles embrace destructive cult of Friedman economics as he's wealth is preserved for the short term.
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Post by pim on Jul 7, 2019 11:04:51 GMT 10
Regardless of Shoro's strength's within the party and the positive progressive policies the bottom line is he managed to send Labor into the 'wilderness' Well I quibble with your claim that Shorten “sent” Labor into the wilderness. He was never the Labor PM who lost an election. The party was already in Opposition when he came to the leadership and the task he set both for himself and the Labor Party was to regroup, restructure and recalibrate to position itself to take government. The strategy was the Whitlam model of “party/policy/people”. I reject any notion that he failed and so does the membership. The way to evaluate a term of leadership is to ask whether the outgoing leader leaves the party in far better shape than he found it and on that measure I believe Bill Shorten bequeathed a Labor Party that’s in good shape and with a platform from which it has the capacity firstly to be a powerful and effective opposition to a government who won the election so narrowly that it just fell over the line and secondly to mount a strong campaign for government in three years time. Penny Wong said on election night on the ABC, in response to a panelist who said something similar to what you just said about Shorten and the “wilderness” that she was “proud of our campaign and of the program that we took to the Australian people” and I believe she spoke for the entire Labor Party when she said that. I notice you retreated a little bit from “wilderness” so I won’t give you a hard time. There might be some minor differences of emphasis between us but I think we’re basically on the same page here. So Labor got wedged. The massive tax bonanza for the top end of town won’t kick in for maybe another two parliamentary terms and in the meantime they can wave through tax cuts for low and middle income people now. I’ve got daughters struggling with jobs, mortgages and kids so I get it. I agree they got snookered on the tax bonanza for the least deserving and I guess they’ll spend the next three years right up to the next elections asking the Morrison government in Question Time what programs in health, education and welfare are they going to have to cut in order to pay for the tax cuts. The first act of the elected (I reject that ScoMo’s government was “re-elected”) ScoMo government was to legislate for private affluence and public squalor. Let them “own” the consequences and Labor should be unrelenting in highlighting those consequences. Well Trickles’ cover as a fake and phony “progressive” has been well and truly blown. He hates unions and loves his franking credits. Nuff said. You know what David Suzuki said about the environment: if you screw the environment you won’t have an economy. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 8:13:03 GMT 10
Pim...your brushing off the fact that political leadership needs to convey to the people the parties message effectively, while Shorto united the party he couldn't unite the people, he failed to earn their trust, simple as that.....as an eg; with the help of greasy Palmer spending millions on advertising it was ScoMoccio as a leader alone who got the LNP across the line......on a basis of trust...the people trusted him more than Shorto.
As said before...the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd business was always going to be the millstone around Shorten's neck.
The show goes on...the LNP are in power and the slowing economy is all down to their policies not Labor...and with Wilson holding Friedman's book in hand swearing allegiance as a minister....is a good indicator what direction the LNP are heading.
Retirees who are making their shares super earnings grow exponentially while income stream is from franking credits do not get that like shares its boom and bust and a Greece style unsustainable ponzi scheme....much like the Murray-Darling irrigation scheme.
Laughing now crying later as it all dries up.
The economy is all down to the LNP
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Post by pim on Jul 8, 2019 10:13:27 GMT 10
Pim...your brushing off the fact that political leadership needs to convey to the people the parties message effectively, while Shorto united the party he couldn't unite the people, he failed to earn their trust, simple as that.....as an eg; with the help of greasy Palmer spending millions on advertising it was ScoMoccio as a leader alone who got the LNP across the line......on a basis of trust...the people trusted him more than Shorto. I don’t deny what you say and in fact I think I’ve posted as much in the past. The Shorten strategy of presenting “Team Shorten” was a correct one. ScoMo’s achievement, and I have to give him credit where credit is due: as a campaign strategy it was pure genius, was to understand that was what Shorten was trying to do and ScoMo headed that one off at the pass by making it about ScoMo v Shorten: “if you vote for the Coalition you get me; if you vote Labor you get Shorten”. If ScoMo had allowed it to be a contest between Team Shorten v Team ScoMo we’d have ended up with a Shorten government. He nipped the “Team” strategy in the bud and made it a contest between the “daggy suburban dad” and the “union sleazebag”. Labor’s other error was in going into the elections as a government-in-waiting rather than as an opposition offering a critique of a government. This was a catastrophic error because, bizarrely, it gave the mantle of opposition underdog to the government! Hubris is the enemy of all politicians and Labor is paying the price. And thank goodness we can draw a line under it. Shorten will never lead another election campaign and all the other major players are now out of the parliament. I very much doubt that Shorten will play the spoiler/wrecker role that Rudd and Abbott played. Albo has always been a loyal team player both in government under Gillard and Rudd - in fact the principled way he conducted himself during that chaos was exemplary - and when he lost the leadership vote to Shorten (and he did lose that vote under the rules that Rudd himself had put in place. We could argue about the rules but that’s a different debate) Albo accepted the result and played a very constructive and supportive role as a senior member of Team Shorten. Albo is 100% entitled to his leadership role which he got fair and square. Labor learned a terrible lesson from the Rudd/Gillard thing. They won’t be going in for that sort of self indulgent bullshit again in a hurry. I won’t speak for the Coalition. That’s right Ponto. Wilson’s little stunt showed how the Liberals have embraced free market fundamentalism with its trickle down economics snake oil. Labor should not follow them there. Question Time over the next three years should be dominated by questions from Labor demanding the ScoMo government come clean about the cuts they must make in order to pay for the tax cuts. The very first act of this government was to legislate public squalor as the necessary and desirable price of private affluence. That’s what Wilson’s stunt was about. Labor needs to make the government “own” the squalor. The ScoMo strategy of “happy clappy daggy dad” worked against Shorten. But what works in one election doesn’t work in the next one. Shorten bequeathed Albo a Labor team that’s united, policy rich and hungry for office. I agree with you that the Shorten strategy of party/policy/people fell over at the last hurdle. He united the party, and constructed a policy framework that the party membership could get behind, but couldn’t convince the people. He scored two out of three in a contest in which he needed to score three out of three. But he leaves a legacy for Albo to build on. Ponto one of the best things about Labor that’s always kept me voting for them is its optimism. Labor performs best when it pursues a positive and progressive agenda. It’s always been about policy and the future. By contrast the Liberals are more about management than policy and the Nationals are incapable of being anything other than the party of rorts and pork barreling. I’m optimistic. And Labor’s task over the next three years is to sheet it home to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 17:21:44 GMT 10
Tis to be sure Paddy ...that be all true...and just to add there needs to be a Royal Commission into the squalor of the Murray - Darling.
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Post by pim on Jul 8, 2019 17:32:28 GMT 10
The damage done to Australia’s premier river system is so appalling, and the policy vandalism so egregious that nothing less than criminal charges should be laid. And yes Barnaby Joyce we’re looking at YOU!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 7:13:59 GMT 10
No water no life for humans....the government should be held accountable and the Nationals removed of looking after water resource.
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Post by KTJ on Sept 1, 2019 16:37:02 GMT 10
That's rather a lot of “Display Post” buttons being posted in this thread.
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