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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:50:30 GMT 10
Seems Albanese and Labor acted just on media reports....not so long ago Labor was Union...now it wants to disassociate from Unions.....bit of a identity crisis going on.
Just return to democratic socialism and she'll be apples.
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Post by pim on Jun 12, 2019 21:05:24 GMT 10
Firstly when was this mythical age of democratic socialism that you think the Labor Party should "return to"? Give us the historical time reference. Say from year X to year y.
Secondly describe for us the extent to which this mythical golden age of democratic socialism that you hearken back to so nostalgically was an age of "apples". I take it they were golden apples!
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Post by pim on Jun 12, 2019 21:45:02 GMT 10
Will I make it to 180? Are you kidding? With Trickles’ criteria for « systematic harassment » I probably just did!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 9:59:45 GMT 10
Its a low benchmark for you Pim to be harassing Tickles... ...something to considered: it would be nice if both of you could just build a bridge a get over it as its all this harassing argument is harassing the rest of the us. As social democratic Kev Rudd thinks Albanese was correct with his booting Setka from Labor...then that's good enough for me...kick the bum out. Socialism has been long held in Australian politics since colonial days and much debated.....to cut a long story short, (things to do and places to go) it began with government owned industry, fair wages and following through to Gough Whitlam introducing universal health and Australia's long standing public education system. Under neolberalism and destructive capitalism we have seen the eroding of government owned industry/utilties and the reduction in services to public health and edcuation and funds diverted to favour the private sector. Globally neoliberalism has fostered the economic rational that growth is dependent on population growth and that which is not spoken about that such economics forgets boundaries....carelessly and dangerously as there are limits to such population fueled growth. All of which ultimately has led to a failure in reducing greenhouse gas emissions that is killing the planet...neoliberalism ideology of increase increase increase is a ponzi scheme and eventually leads to catastrophic failure.
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Post by Aurora on Jun 13, 2019 11:17:50 GMT 10
This is gonna get interesting (if you're interested in that sort of thing) - Albo vs Setka. We might get to see who actually controls Labor ... which I expect is going to be the unions. No surprise there. So bring it on!!
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Post by pim on Jun 13, 2019 14:18:29 GMT 10
Just in passing and I agree that this is not what the thread is about. But since you mention the following ... I call it as I see it. If I don’t agree with Trickles then I’ll say so. And I’ll say why. And since I’m of the (well-founded) view that he posts with an agenda I think it’s fair comment that in unpacking his agenda-laden posts that I point out that agenda! He calls that « systematic harassment ». I call that bullshit. I’m not going to be intimidated by Trickles’ relentless spamming. His M.O. is actually quite simple. He operates on the principle that « it’s the the squeaky wheel that gets oiled ». So he squeaks ... and squeaks ... and squeaks. Let him squeak. And let’s face it, he does squeak. A lot! And there are times when I’m focused on an issue that I’m posting on when Trickles runs interference with a squeak (or two or three);about « systematic harassment » and my immediate response is to do a piss take. I think that’s a mild and moderate response, all things considered. Now back to the thread topic. I don’t care about Trickles’ problems with muscular blue collar blokey unions. Sure Setka seems to have shot himself in the foot with his stupid comments about women and domestic violence. On further reflection if we’re talking about Albo and party membership it seems to me that this is yet another tabloid diversion. The issue of party membership isn’t down to Albo but to the state secretary of the Victorian branch. I don’t have the time or the inclination to explain how Australian political parties are organised and administered on a state basis. For example I am formally a member of the South Australian Branch of the Australian Labor Party. It says so on my membership card. So I can only be expelled by the South Australian Branch. So Albo is in no position to declare « Let Setka be expelled into the outer darkness and let his name be forever anathema » and lo and behold it comes to pass. This is tabloid bullshit. Who started this thread? Of course. Why am I not surprised. By their agendas, my dear comrade Ponto, shall ye know them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 18:31:19 GMT 10
Yes Pim can be annoying at times, then no one here is a saint and Trickles you can choose to ignore Pim's post rather than make an issue out of what you find irritating, its simply a overreaction and not enough to badger the Admin to have him banned or whatever.
You say "hate" which is an over exaggeration, he doesn't hate you what he says is you have an agenda, well that's how its reading an agenda driven motive....and that is making you look troublesome which isn't a good look...neither you or Pim has the moral high ground to be sanctimonious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 14:35:00 GMT 10
Labor Labor Labor....is not in government...the sinking economy is all Liberal Liberal Liberal.
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Post by pim on Jun 26, 2019 16:20:35 GMT 10
So why spam the board with your Labor Labor Labor obsession when according to you the only game in town now is Liberal Liberal Liberal?
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Post by pim on Jun 26, 2019 16:48:00 GMT 10
You have got to be fucking joking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 17:56:05 GMT 10
Labor has the relevancy of 3 years to get it together ....Liberals are irrelevant in the way they are stuck in a rut refusing to change policies such as big tax cuts for the rich which will cut services to the people in trickle down ideology...and you voted for these numbnuts who did not have the best policy of all for the future a hydrogen economy.
But carry on with your hoax material of Labor Labor Labor diverting attention away from fuckwitism politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 18:18:39 GMT 10
Tax cuts for the rich does not boost the economy..and the tax cuts are swallowed by rising living cost like rising electricity prices where the Libs stated it wold be cheaper under them.....with tax cuts in today's the economy needs more that just tax cuts to solve the sinking economy, it needs broader policies which Labor is arguing.
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Post by pim on Jun 26, 2019 20:20:44 GMT 10
But Trickles' franking credits are safe, right? Is this how Trickles proposes to grow the economy? No wonder I called him Trickles and I am so chuffed that it caught on
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 0:43:00 GMT 10
Wow! Who knew!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 9:32:45 GMT 10
Not a question of totalitarianism...its a question whether one wants a destructive all capitalist rule neo liberal government producing leaders like Trump who mouth off like bullying dictators or a government that has social democracy at is core....give me a social peoples government over a oligarchy rules government rules any day and the right to bag the shit of those that advocate neo liberalism.
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 11:23:09 GMT 10
Notwithstanding Trickles’ narrative, I can tell you that on Labor Party figures there are thousands of self-funded retirees in the Adelaide electorates of Hindmarsh and Adelaide. Hindmarsh is now held by Mark Butler after his old seat of Port Adelaide was abolished in the last redistribution, and Adelaide is now held by Steve Georganas now that Kate Ellis has retired. Both seats cover suburbs in “old” Adelaide and they include aspirationals with the dosh to buy and do up an old Adelaide house with its gables, verandah and bluestone exterior, and retirees who have lived there for years, own their own homes and live on their retirement incomes. If Trickles is right then his franking credits issue should have been a game decider in both electorates. It wasn’t. In fact quite the contrary. Mark Butler gained a swing to Labor in Hindmarsh of 3.1% and Steve Georganas scored a small but significant swing to Labor in Adelaide of 1.2% in what had been a seat that Kate Ellis had held comfortably for Labor on a margin of 8.3% which Steve Georganas increased to 9.5%.
Franking credits were not the deciding issue that Trickles claims that they were.
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 12:46:27 GMT 10
Keep believing Franking Credits were not a major factor. Labor will be out of office for 12 years at least. I voted Liberal for the first time in my life this year, if Labor doesn't drop that idea and they fail to come up with something good, I will do it again. Trickles your vote for the Liberals wasn't a "swing" vote. More a homecoming. You predict that franking credits will keep Labor in the wilderness for 12 years? What, even as the cost of financing franking credits escalates from its current $8 billion to ... how much? You can be sure it's not going to be less. It'll certainly be more with each set of forward estimates down the track. And this at a time when all the economic indicators show an economy heading south and Frydenberg's promised surplus proves undeliverable. The franking credits thing is unsustainable and if Labor ends up being out of office for the next two terms then I guess it'll be the Liberals with ScoMo as PM and Frydenberg as Treasurer who'll just have to turn the franking credits tap off. And they will do it because they'll have to.
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 13:13:12 GMT 10
Howard's middle class welfare defies gravity in your economic universe? Right. Got it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 16:56:44 GMT 10
As interest rates fall more people are and will be buying shares (why banks are going well), and that in turn means more franking credits being payed out, a credit that derives from tax is and will become more an unsustainable pay out....forget Labor it will be interesting to see how the LNP deals with it...only a matter of time before they will as the economy sinks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 16:57:26 GMT 10
And just to add shares will fall.
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 17:27:18 GMT 10
This is supposed to be some sort of rebuttal to Ponto?? Alas a lobotomy is irreversible. Trickles is fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 19:35:51 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jun 27, 2019 23:01:15 GMT 10
He must spam
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Post by pim on Jun 28, 2019 12:17:55 GMT 10
As I said, he must spam
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Post by pim on Jun 28, 2019 15:13:09 GMT 10
And still he spammeth. I'll have to devise a Latin motto for you Trickles. Should it translate simply as "I spam" or "I spam, therefore I exist"?
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