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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 18, 2018 1:40:38 GMT 10
It's true.  |
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Post by KTJ on Dec 18, 2018 6:50:58 GMT 10
Yes, we KNOW you've got a god delusion inside your mind and that you're gullible enough to think it's actually a real god.
So now that we've got the status of your mental health out of the way...
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Post by pim on Dec 18, 2018 6:57:10 GMT 10
Yes, we KNOW you've got a god delusion inside your mind and that you're gullible enough to think it's actually a real god. So now that we've got the status of your mental health out of the way... ... Maybe you can give some thought to getting a life for yourself in which you don't keep repeating the same old tired mantras  |
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Post by KTJ on Dec 18, 2018 20:13:30 GMT 10
What about the reptetiveness of god-bothers claiming their god delusion is a real god?
I run into plenty of those on the street all the time, continually preaching their bullshit to people passing by day after day, week after week.
It's just like idiots repeating their stupid mantras over and over and over and over and over and over again until they piss-off everybody whose ears they pollute with that crap.
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Post by pim on Dec 18, 2018 20:53:45 GMT 10
Here's the difference, though, KTJ - not that what I'm about to post will make the slightest impression or cause the faintest glimmer of an insight, but here goes anyway ...
People like Occam don't impose their views on others who might not share them. Neither are they rude and insulting to people who disagree. You and I are rude and engage in robust banter. My sneers, for example, are Best Practice in Sneering and are the stuff of legend. But Occam confines his posts on matters of religious faith to the Religion Board. He rarely posts on other boards on NTB1 and confines himself to posting on the Religion Board and on topics germane to the Religion Board.
And you have a problem with that?!?
Now, before you change the subject KTJ, and/or introduce irrelevancies, allow me to encourage you to try to stay on topic. If you've a problem with people posting on religious topics on the Religion Board then clearly the "problem" for you is the existence of the Religion Board itself. So why have one? For you to troll? If that's so, either ask Jody and Occam to shut down the religion board or take your own initiative and shut down your membership.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 19, 2018 11:53:31 GMT 10
Yes, we KNOW you've got a god delusion inside your mind and that you're gullible enough to think it's actually a real god. So now that we've got the status of your mental health out of the way... If I had mental health issues they'd be unrelated, and certainly understandable after conversing with you. Besides you are being terribly dismissive, and insensitive to those people. Have you even considered the possibility that people can be mentally ill, and still be right? I ask you this... Which is closer to a mental disorder: a) believing there is a sovereign and divine creator, or b) asserting that randomness and physical laws brought us the universe, beauty, love, moral absolutes, and super complex information structures? |
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Post by KTJ on Dec 19, 2018 17:55:28 GMT 10
Okay, so lets say there is a divine creator (aka your god delusion).
What created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created whatever created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator?
And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator?
See how rediculous the concept of your divine creator god delusion eventually becomes?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 19, 2018 21:30:54 GMT 10
Okay, so lets say there is a divine creator ( aka your god delusion). What created your divine creator? And what created whatever created your divine creator? And what created whatever created whatever created your divine creator? And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator? And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator? And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator? And what created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created whatever created your divine creator? See how rediculous the concept of your divine creator god delusion eventually becomes? Use those same questions only remove the concept of a creator completely. You have the same problem, only much worse because you believe in one less thing than I do. And to answer your question: only things under natural law require causes. God is not natural, he's supernatural. |
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Post by pim on Dec 19, 2018 22:28:47 GMT 10
Is this about science or theology? With Occam I could discuss both. With KTJ on the other hand his denial of theology as a valid and proper topic reduces his posts to boring repetitive mantras. His reductionist approach to all issues reduces even rational science to its constituent empirical parts and lacks the philosophy inherent in the beauty and grandeur of how the whole of the natural world is so much greater than the sum of its parts. You don't have to be religious to grasp that cosmic truth. Darwin grasped it and was very eloquent about it in his conclusion to "The Origin of Species". I repeat: belief in a transcendent Deity isn't a prerequisite for a sense of awe at the natural world. But KTJ seems to lack it. That's his problem. The arrogance and hubris inherent in his philistine contempt for transcendence and metaphysics is as laughable as it is ignorant.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 19, 2018 23:02:46 GMT 10
Is this about science or theology? With Occam I could discuss both. With KTJ on the other hand his denial of theology as a valid and proper topic reduces his posts to boring repetitive mantras. His reductionist approach to all issues reduces even rational science to its constituent empirical parts and lacks the philosophy inherent in the beauty and grandeur of how the whole of the natural world is so much greater than the sum of its parts. You don't have to be religious to grasp that cosmic truth. Darwin grasped it and was very eloquent about it in his conclusion to "The Origin of Species". I repeat: belief in a transcendent Deity isn't a prerequisite for a sense of awe at the natural world. But KTJ seems to lack it. That's his problem. The arrogance and hubris inherent in his philistine contempt for transcendence and metaphysics is as laughable as it is ignorant. Pim, I assume your post is for our benefit. If you are addressing KTJ, you should use the smaller one-syllable words, also include pictures so he doesn't quickly lose interest. |
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Post by KTJ on Dec 20, 2018 7:19:17 GMT 10
And to answer your question: only things under natural law require causes. God is not natural, he's supernatural. So now you're asking us to believe something which has never been seen and for which no proof whatsoever exists. Stalemate. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 21, 2018 0:56:08 GMT 10
So now you're asking us to believe something which has never been seen and for which no proof whatsoever exists. Stalemate. No Stalemate, you haven't been specific about what you mean about 'proof'. If you insist it's limited to things that can be experienced by the five senses... Then... Do you have proof for your claim the only things that are true, are things that can empirically verified? If not, you are contradicting yourself. There is no stalemate here, on the contrary, your argument is dying on its own sword. |
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Post by pim on Dec 21, 2018 1:08:30 GMT 10
Pearls before swine old chap, pearls before swine |
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Post by fat on Dec 28, 2018 18:31:24 GMT 10
Feeding 5000 men (and their associated family members who also may have been there but are not specifically mentioned) with 5 loaves and 2 fishes. 12 baskets of leftovers after the crowd clears. Miracle or supreme judge of human nature - they may well have had something in their pockets for the day's heeding. If it can be explained away, is it a miracle? Either way it seemed pretty miraculous to all those there. I'd like to believe.
Benny Hinn slaying people in the spirit or the guy on TV asking for thousands of moneys so you can sow your seeds of prosperity and God will give you whatever you want - nothing miraculous with these Charlatans - not even close. I cannot believe.
Turning water into wine - Raising Lazarus when he should have been well and truly smelly. No matter how I try not to believe, these are for me the real deal - the people who were there saw it happen and it cannot be easily explained away.
Do miracles still happen - yes - every time a new baby is born into this world.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 3, 2019 1:16:38 GMT 10
Well said fat, although I would suggest that miracles are singularities.
By that definition, they are not repeatable--and science must remain silent on such matters.
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Post by fat on Jan 5, 2019 11:18:57 GMT 10
One miracle at a time - I can agree with that.
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