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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 9, 2018 21:57:45 GMT 10
For a person to believe that the being, God, does not exist when it is impossible to prove that He does not exist is irrational because it will always remain possible that the being, God, does exist. This requires that all rational and logical people either believe in the being, God, because of evidence or keep an open mind and be undecided about His possible existence.
To prove anything does exist, all you need is to find evidence of its existence such as a piece of paper which has been written on by a pencil or to actually find the pencil. The same is true for God. His existence can be proved by either evidence or direct contact, but He can never be disproved.
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Post by KTJ on Sept 10, 2018 6:11:44 GMT 10
There you go....a religious theist dragging up that label atheism again to compensate for his insecurity.
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Post by KTJ on Sept 10, 2018 6:24:28 GMT 10
Time to insert some “logic” into this thread…
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 10, 2018 6:47:11 GMT 10
Thank you both for providing examples of the irrational behavior mentioned in the introductory post. None of the points were invalidated by your arguments from outrage.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 11, 2018 5:20:41 GMT 10
Except that you are assuming by leaving the cult (*your words), you haven't simply traded one wrong doctrine, for another. Humans can't choose whether to believe, we can only choose what to believe.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 11, 2018 20:46:16 GMT 10
Thank you both for providing examples of the irrational behavior mentioned in the introductory post. None of the points were invalidated by your arguments from outrage. Outrage? More like indifference really. Indifference? Is that why you constantly comment on it? ...Because you are vehemently indifferent about it?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 0:07:38 GMT 10
...Indifference.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 0:11:25 GMT 10
You clearly enjoy your delusion. Carry on. ...And you clearly enjoy being subject of the Martha Mitchell effect.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 0:38:43 GMT 10
If you think you are going to "convert" anyone with your pieces here ... I think you are very much mistaken. "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views..."
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 3:24:52 GMT 10
Here is the problem with your day/night theory: In the text the sun and moon are created AFTER God declares day and night (Separates light from darkness).
-What were the markers prior to the creation of the sun and the moon, and do they continue using those markers or switch after the sun and moon are created? -Is a time of day the same on Jupiter, as it is on earth? Time passes differently depending where you are in proximity to what? The Sun. So what is the measure of time, if the sun hasn't been created yet? -Why are you assuming the same natural conditions existed at the beginning of time, as it does now?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 7:11:43 GMT 10
Back to the unaddressed points in the opening post: For a person to believe that the being, God, does not exist when it is impossible to prove that He does not exist is irrational because it will always remain possible that the being, God, does exist. This requires that all rational and logical people either believe in the being, God, because of evidence or keep an open mind and be undecided about His possible existence. To prove anything does exist, all you need is to find evidence of its existence such as a piece of paper which has been written on by a pencil or to actually find the pencil. The same is true for God. His existence can be proved by either evidence or direct contact, but He can never be disproved.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:16:13 GMT 10
Now, you are entitled to believe in that crap, but I'm entitled to point out that it is crap. Not while you are still maintaining 'indifference'.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:25:32 GMT 10
Does the only light come from sun? Is the only darkness from space? I don't see a conflict here.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:27:09 GMT 10
Have fun trying to change "the facts". You mean stating them? You are the one smuggling in your opinion.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:29:21 GMT 10
Does the only light come from sun? Is the only darkness from space? I don't see a conflict here. Yeah, that's another piece of nonsense in your "infallible book" ... photosynthesis without the Sun. LOL Still working on changing "the facts" eh? Photosynthesis only requires light. I can do that in my basement. That isn't fact changing, its an acknowledgement of the facts.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:32:42 GMT 10
Admit nothing Deny everything Make counter-accusations.
The Creed of Nemo.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:34:15 GMT 10
You mean stating them? You are the one smuggling in your opinion. "The facts" in the Bible ... you are trying to change them. What were you saying about very stupid people and "fact changing" a little while back? No, I am showing you what they actually say without your interpretations added.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:36:12 GMT 10
Look, the Bible is full of nonsense. Believe it if you like. Count me out of it. Your ridiculous attempts to change the stories are quite pathetic really. Well, if you are accusing me of changing the facts, you need to substantiate that or drop the accusation. You can't just sling mud, then slink off saying you want no part of it. No free shots.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:45:47 GMT 10
I gave you an example of how a day means a day in the Bible. I know you are desperate to change that because the creation story is so absurdly wrong that it is a very large stumbling block. Modern Christians will try anything to attempt to reconcile that bullshit with what we know about the order of events in our Solar system. It can't be done though. In the end, you have to accept that those stories are bullshit. I mean, really ... the very first book of the Bible is a litany of bullshit. Not a very good beginning is it? It's so obviously crap, yet it is supposed to be a book inspired for all people across all time, not just a silly story for a bunch of ignorant fishermen and goat-herders. However, it fails dismally. This is exactly what this thread is about. You are being irrational, emotional and just repeatedly stating your opinion.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 10:51:51 GMT 10
Again, answered with opinion, not reason. Please continue... Unless you are a scholar with some linguistic knowledge of Ancient Hebrew, I don't see you getting very far with this.
The actual Bible wasn't written in 16th century English
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 12, 2018 11:09:11 GMT 10
Well it doesn't really matter what I say in response to that, because you said it yourself--- Your opinion can't be changed.
So if you are going to be close-minded, perhaps you'd consider being close-mouthed as well? Practice your indifference in silence, since that is usually what actual disinterest/indifference requires.
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