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Post by Gort on Jul 5, 2021 9:35:04 GMT 10
. Remember the interest rates and inflation under Keating? On this comment only.... So? Dog box housing was only around $30,000 - $80,000 house and land now dog boxes go for $600,000 to over a 1 million. You left out the good bits ... Yep, nothing to see here Squinty. Wages still growing and record low interest rates, low inflation. Record household savings. Remember the interest rates and inflation under Keating? Now, things are much, much less disturbing. Life's good. Speaking of Franking Credits ... Labor was going to withhold tax returns on people earning franking credit refunds. To be able to withhold the tax return from them, the person must be earning less than $18,000 odd total income. We're not talking franking credit income - but total income. If you earn less than 18,000 odd bucks total income, you pay no tax. Labor was going after those low income self-funded retirees who were earning less than $18,000 odd bucks and were due to have their "provisional tax" franking credits returned to them as a tax refund in July. By definition, Labor was going for the lowest income retirees. The rich bums were not affected! Rich bums would not qualify for a tax refund. Labor was ripping up the tax free threshold on people who gain their income from share dividends. Any other income was fine, but if you had share dividends only, then Labor was going to whack you, and only if your total income was below $18,000 odd bucks! It was an astonishingly discriminatory hit on one class of income. The most disgusting tax hit on low income people ever devised by Labor. No wonder they lost the "unlosable" election over it.
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Post by ponto on Jul 5, 2021 11:00:58 GMT 10
Spin..spin and more anti Labor spin....you voted for self serving rorting climate denying environmental vandals to save your franking credit rort.
Your a A class fucknut.
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Post by pim on Jul 5, 2021 11:16:38 GMT 10
Holy franking credits is he still at it. I still have him on ignore but wait, let me guess: he’s still on his Grand Bill Shorten Obsession. Right? How’m I doing? See? I don’t have to read his posts
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Post by caskur on Jul 5, 2021 13:05:09 GMT 10
Holy franking credits is he still at it. I still have him on ignore but wait, let me guess: he’s still on his Grand Bill Shorten Obsession. Right? How’m I doing? See? I don’t have to read his posts And ScumMo is yours.
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Post by pim on Jul 5, 2021 14:36:25 GMT 10
Difference is that he's PM and he's the one to beat. But Bill Shorten? Bill Who?
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Post by bender on Jul 5, 2021 19:51:31 GMT 10
Well you know something is going wrong when Crikey starts say that maybe Peter Dutton would be a better PM then Morrison.
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Post by pim on Jul 5, 2021 20:08:09 GMT 10
This is what Bender is talking about. I c&p it unvarnished ...
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Post by pim on Jul 5, 2021 20:18:33 GMT 10
The reaction from Crikey readers to the Bernard Keane article has been swift and vitriolic ...
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Post by pim on Jul 6, 2021 0:01:11 GMT 10
Not sure that Peter Dutton would be the Murugappan family’s first - or even last - choice of prime minister. That’s the Biloela family.
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Post by caskur on Jul 6, 2021 2:41:10 GMT 10
Not sure that Peter Dutton would be the Murugappan family’s first - or even last - choice of prime minister. That’s the Biloela family. Don't you mean the Sri Lankan family that has lost 7 court appeals paid for by the working classes of Australia?
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Post by ponto on Jul 6, 2021 9:03:17 GMT 10
Would matter who is leader of the coalition, while there are coalition members who are are more warming to public with the way they act and express themselves that Mr Potatohead such as Josh Friedhisberger, the the political conservative driven agenda is overlorded by Murdoch and the coal lobby....do as your told no matter who leads.
Honesty and integrity no longer counts in leadership.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 0:24:36 GMT 10
Labor leading Two Party Preferred ... But get this - Albo is still in the dead zone! WTF?
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Post by ponto on Jul 19, 2021 7:16:59 GMT 10
Too late now to change leaders...and people will judge on policies...presumably considering the coalition are nothing more than fucknuts...
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Post by pim on Jul 19, 2021 8:45:17 GMT 10
Too late now to change leaders...and people will judge on policies...presumably considering the coalition are nothing more than fucknuts... What’s the context here Ponto? I presume you’re responding to something Trickles posted but I still have him on ignore and I won’t read his posts on principle. If you’re talking about the Coalition government changing leaders - and I bet you aren’t - it just ain’t gonna happen. If you’re talking about Albo (more likely) then you’re right it is too late for Labor to switch to some other individual - even if they could under the Rudd rules. But that’s assuming Albo’s the issue in the same way that Bill Shorten was the issue in 2019. Two points: 1. 2021 isn’t 2019 - back in May 2019 we hadn’t yet had the Black Summer bushfires and “I don’t hold a hose mate”, the pandemic was still 10 months into the future and the vaccine strollout clusterfuck was nearly two years off. 2. Albo isn’t Bill Shorten. Back in May 2019 ScoMo was still relatively new to the PMs gig while Shorten had a bigger and more negative profile. I still defend Shorten’s leadership in that he united the party after the Rudd/Gillard shambles and put together a front bench that ran rings around anything that the Coalition could put up. But ScoMo’s genius in the 2019 campaign was to recognise the depth of talent and richness of policy in the Labor front bench so his response was textbook elegance: he put his own very mediocre front bench into witness protection and made it about ScoMo v Bill Shorten: “if you vote for the Coalition you get me, if you vote Labor you get Bill Shorten”. At a stroke he eliminated any discussion of policy from the elections and made it about the personalities of two people: the daggy suburban dad with his backyard BBQ and baseball cap or a shifty back room wheeler dealer. It worked and ScoMo fell over the line and beat Shorten by a nose. He called it a “miracle”. The 2019 election was pure unadulterated 100% “Scotty from Marketing”. How good was that! How good indeed and how many elections like 2019 is Scotty from Marketing going to get? I suspect he’s had his portion and I think he knows that in Anthony Albanese he’s up against quite a different opponent. ScoMo is no fool - shallow, lacks depth and vision but no fool - and he knows that the line he used against Bill Shorten isn’t going to work against Albo. He’s not blind to the dazzling success of the state premiers and the way they’ve won their own state elections simply by being the incumbent government during a pandemic and he’s made the calculation that what works at the state level will work for him too. Time will tell but for that to be true he has to be seen to run a tight well-organised ship and more and more he heads up a government that looks like it couldn’t organise a root in a brothel. Vaccine rollout? What vaccine? Where’s the vaccine? So far his answer to that question sounds like “the cheque’s in the mail” when the debt collector is threatening bankruptcy. He’s running out of time on this one. He could get lucky and the country becomes awash with Pfizer and Moderna over August/September but that bloody vaccine isn’t here until it is. “The cheque’s in the mail” doesn’t cut it anymore. And that’s the danger for Scotty from Marketing, his 2019 campaign was all Scotty from Marketing and it was brilliant. But his prime ministership ever since then has been all Scotty from Marketing. What if the voting public sees through the Scotty from Marketing spin and blather and concludes that’s all there is to the guy? Watch this space. As for Albo I argue that it isn’t about him. No matter who Labor puts up as Leader they would have the same problem of lack of clear air and cut through. For his part Albo has been excellent. Last year during all the lockdowns he put the national interest first and politics second. He was 100% Team Australia. The shit sandwich for him was that there were never going to be any prizes for being a Team Australia opposition leader during a pandemic but he did so nevertheless. I don’t care if he never gets credit for it in the media or in the polls but he sure gets credit for it with me. This year he’s been critical of the vaccine rollout and also of the leadership vacuum that the Scotty from Marketing style of government creates at the centre of Australian public life. That’s Albanese’s job! But what’s impressed me about Albo is how instead of vainly trying to get a public profile and compete in the Scotty from Marketing space, he’s gone quietly around Queensland visiting the seats that Labor needs to win in 2022. Or 2021 if ScoMo is crazy brave enough to run this year. I’m not going to predict that it’s going to be a Coalition v Labor contest. There’s a third player and that’s the Independents factor. If the Independents win seats it’ll be at the Coalition’s expense and that’s a distinct possibility. We could end up with an Albanese minority government with Independent support on the issue of emissions reduction.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 11:03:15 GMT 10
LOL Chris Kenny was spot on: His remark about Green Lefties and anti-conservatives: "... content only on silencing their enemies and talking amongst themselves."
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Post by ponto on Jul 19, 2021 11:28:04 GMT 10
As a rundown Pim... GortMo posted a 'Australian' Newspoll showing Albo hasn't changed his standing at 33% as preferred leader while ScoNuts has drppoed 2% to 51% with a "WTF" by GortMonuts....my response was to both leaders.
Shorto was popular with the party yet not so with the public...which sort of highlights then fact a political party has to have leader that can bring the people along as more important than the party thinking what a great bloke or bonzer sheila they are.
Leaders have to convey a vison to the people,..if not by having some charisma of sorts then having damn good policies, certainly not meet the new boss same as the old.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 11:33:13 GMT 10
"... content only on silencing their enemies and talking amongst themselves."See what I mean?
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Post by pim on Jul 19, 2021 12:03:14 GMT 10
Albo won’t win it on charisma and he knows it. He’s not “charismatic” and I’m glad of it. I’m never comfortable with the “Billy Graham” or MLK factor in politics. Prophets in real life so often turn out to be false. Even Obama’s “Yes we can” ended up disappointing millions as it turned out to be “No we can’t”. And as for Trump and MAGA, his supporters are still in denial about him losing and await his imminent return with all the fervour of religious nut cases expecting the Second Coming. Interestingly a lot of Trump voters had been Obama voters. Bunch of loose cannons. Dangerous to base policy on that lot. But then populism is never about policy and is always about personality.
Albo is a decent bloke and a good man. We could use somebody like that running the country. Sooner or later - and I’m prepared to believe “later” and that Lady Luck hasn’t finished with ScoMo yet - Scotty from Marketing’s spin and blather will have reached its use by date and he won’t change his style because Scotty from Marketing spin and blather is all there is to him.
And I haven’t even touched on the deepening fissures of Grand Canyon proportions opening up within the Nationals ... Is that an election winner for the Coalition?
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 12:17:53 GMT 10
But here's the thing ... There is no room for policy largesse given the budget situation - hence: no real headline grabbing enticement to vote Labor. The woke left won't win it for Labor. It is not enough for Labor to win back those who defected last time. Most of those gave their second preference to Labor anyway. Labor needs to grab large numbers of swinging voters. The fact is: elections are all about popularity. It is a fact that an opposition leader scoring below 40% as Preferred PM simply does not win government in this country. Albo needs that rating to come up at least 7%. He might do it. He might not.
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Post by ponto on Jul 19, 2021 13:47:16 GMT 10
Joel Fitzgibbonnut shows that there a more than just him in Labor with his endearing sentiments towards coal,...conclude it remains Labor has to have some discerning differences between them and the Libs.. if Labor wants to promote the same policies then it has to have a very charismatic and popular leader to convince the punters there is difference between the two parties.
Labor has policy differences on renewable energy and climate change and people have to be convinced by Labor they have a better vision to win them over....can they do it...certainly hope so as I for one tire of fucknutism.
American politics is so divided in the US that people keep who they vote for close to their chest as saying in the lunch room or a off hand comment in the workplace who they vote for can lead to getting sacked...and visa versa a republican can be sacked if employer is democrat leaning.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 14:41:29 GMT 10
You geddit Ponto. Pim never has got it and never will geddit. In my opinion, there has been only one election where Labor won on policy. That was in 1972. Sadly, that expensive policy set eventually sent the government broke. The key to winning from opposition is to have a popular leader. I know, I know ... we would all want it to be a policy driven system. It just isn't these days. Sad but true. When you have an unpopular leader and a problem policy issue, the result can be surprisingly bad. We saw that at the last election. With an unpopular leader and a "meh" set of policies, a party might get over the line. It usually means the government is so bad that a change is made despite the poor leadership of the opposition. The economy is ticking over pretty well despite the lockdowns. Interest rates at record lows, household savings are high, unemployment at decade long lows. Inflation at low levels. Share market at record highs, Super balances at record highs. Home values at record highs. Not a bad set of numbers for an incumbent really. What has Labor got? A few airy-fairy woke themes. Net Zero emissions by 2050? So what? Libs will come down to the same statement that won't actually be achieved by either side. A commitment to more renewables? Likely will lead to summer power blackouts unless they re-examine gas fired backup. A commitment to a referendum on Aboriginal recognition? Could be an embarrassing fail there. Like talk about a tampon tax removal? - yeah, well OK seems obvious but has no real impact. Coulda woulda shoulda handled the vaccine rollout better? Yeah, whatever - likely will be a non-issue by the time of the election. Handle the Chinese leadership better? Really? Promise higher pay rates? The government does not pay the majority of workers. Only the Public Service could be paid more directly and where is the money coming from? The only way to drive up pay rates is to get unemployment down even more, but closing coal mines won't help that. Time will tell at the next election. One thing I reckon is obvious - if Labor had a popular leader now, they would romp it in at the next election. It could be a close call again this time, the danger for Labor is that they could massively increase their vote in Labor seats but fail to turn over the seats they need.
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Post by ponto on Jul 19, 2021 16:01:29 GMT 10
Can be good at your job being a leader, work hard for the ream and all that whats lacking on all sides of politics is leaders that are perceived by the people as having positive vison for the future that the people can follow.
While the economy is ticking over, share market going well, home prices up...where Labor has decent housing policies as poverty and homelessness is increasing as well as stagnant wages the economy is not going well for the poor or casual workers.
There are other big environmental issues not on the radar such as the Murray-Darling Basin water plan fiasco.
On energy renewables are still the cheaper option with batteries creating a hydrogen energy future.
Forget Nuclear, forget fossil's the world is changing on energy, and Australia has the potential to be the leader in hydrogen energy...ask Twiggy Forrest and Ross Garnaut.
Europe is suffering extreme flooding as never been seen before and the blame is on climate change...we yes we as in everyone are feeling the effects and it will get worse areas become abandoned as uninhabitable....the era for fucknutism climate denial is over and the coalition are still in denial...eventually their climate denial ideology will bring them down.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 16:18:54 GMT 10
Yep, I'm anti-nuclear and pro hydrogen.
Hydrogen has potential but in the meantime, solar and wind over reliance will lead to power blackouts.
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Post by ponto on Jul 19, 2021 17:42:05 GMT 10
Not necessarily, blackouts which are varied for a few reasons, power surges and fallen trees, extreme weather with climate change a factor, lack of wind or sunlight can be solved by homes with solar and battery storage.
Due to the large number of homes with solar Labor has plans that large, size of a small truck, batteries are placed in suburbs or towns and local solar energy generated by homes goes into the batteries then feeds enough power day and night for 250homes...including rental homes with no roof top solar.
Vision and thinking out of the box solves all problems....if no action takes place on climate change the consequences are larger problem than blackouts....look what is happening in Europe and Asia with extreme flooding while wildfires rage in Russia.
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Post by Gort on Jul 19, 2021 19:50:06 GMT 10
Not necessarily, blackouts which are varied for a few reasons, power surges and fallen trees, extreme weather with climate change a factor, lack of wind or sunlight can be solved by homes with solar and battery storage. Due to the large number of homes with solar Labor has plans that large, size of a small truck, batteries are placed in suburbs or towns and local solar energy generated by homes goes into the batteries then feeds enough power day and night for 250homes...including rental homes with no roof top solar. Vision and thinking out of the box solves all problems....if no action takes place on climate change the consequences are larger problem than blackouts....look what is happening in Europe and Asia with extreme flooding while wildfires rage in Russia. Just wait and see ... we will be just like California was during the latest heatwave. Too much reliance on renewables and chaos reigned.
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