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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2017 9:54:21 GMT 10
One reason: theism is delusional. Circular reasoning, as usual. It's only a delusion if found false; if found true, then Atheism is the delusion. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2017 10:01:23 GMT 10
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Post by KTJ on Jan 6, 2017 11:42:43 GMT 10
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 18, 2019 20:15:10 GMT 10
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 18, 2019 20:15:24 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Jul 10, 2019 9:08:48 GMT 10
Occam I realise that this is an old post but that doesn't mean it isn't applicable today and to the way this board continues to be trolled by the same trolls with their repetitive mantras that haven't varied for the past ten years. The most egregious troll of course being Prickles (my name for KTJ because of his never ending obsession with pricks - a slang term Down Under that refers to penises). So insofar that the Trolling Twosome conform to what your post says about atheists I can only wholeheartedly agree with you. But in my experience that's not how atheists in general respond to religion. In my experience atheists worth their salt (as atheists) respond to religion with utter indifference as the logic of their position dictates that they should. Examples of this on the board are people like Bender and Ponto who almost never post here. They're not hostile to religion. Just indifferent. It doesn't interest them. Now that's a live-and-let-live atheism I can respect rather than the phony stuff that Prickles and Trickles troll the board with. |
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Post by KTJ on Jul 10, 2019 11:17:09 GMT 10
Occam I realise that this is an old post but that doesn't mean it isn't applicable today and to the way this board continues to be trolled by the same trolls with their repetitive mantras that haven't varied for the past ten years. The most egregious troll of course being Prickles (my name for KTJ because of his never ending obsession with pricks - a slang term Down Under that refers to penises). So insofar that the Trolling Twosome conform to what your post says about atheists I can only wholeheartedly agree with you. But in my experience that's not how atheists in general respond to religion. In my experience atheists worth their salt (as atheists) respond to religion with utter indifference as the logic of their position dictates that they should. Examples of this on the board are people like Bender and Ponto who almost never post here. They're not hostile to religion. Just indifferent. It doesn't interest them. Now that's a live-and-let-live atheism I can respect rather than the phony stuff that Prickles and Trickles troll the board with. Ah, but I'm not an ATHIEST. That is a label stuck on people by religionists because they cannot handle the fact that many people can stand on their own two feet instead of being so feeble-minded that they need to lean on the crutch of religion to survive. I am merely a non-believer of unproven bullshit until such time as it can be proven that it is real and not bullshit. Or until what is claimed without proof can be actually measured, or calculated mathematically. I don't believe anything about religion. I merely take the default view that something doesn't exist until proof exists. So shove your ATHIEST label up your arsehole. But hey, it you wish to BELIEVE in god/s without any proof, then I'll proclaim that I AM A GOD and demand that you have FAITH that what I claim to be is true. |
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Post by KTJ on Jul 10, 2019 14:48:54 GMT 10
I certainly don't want to live forever.
With all the baggage one picks up during one's lifetime, you'd end up totally bitter & twisted after a century or two.
There is a very good reason why we, as humans, don't tend to live for too much longer than 80 or 90 or 100 years.
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Post by pim on Jul 10, 2019 15:15:02 GMT 10
Trickles must spam. The urge is beyond his power to control. A Higher Power must be invoked. So Trickles, with humility and with a contrite heart you should intone the following prayer, not just daily but every time that overwhelming desire to spam consumes you. In the Name of the Invisible Hand, the Sacred Market Forces and the Holy Franking Credits ... Let us spam ...  |
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Post by pim on Jul 10, 2019 15:48:40 GMT 10
Remember the Spammers Prayer Trickles, just as you remember and revere your Holy Franking Credits  |
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Post by KTJ on Jul 10, 2019 16:39:13 GMT 10
Faaaaark, you're a stupid fucking moron, Phil.
Go and fill the laundry tub with water, then immerse your head completely in the water and start breathing deeply.
It may improve your intelligence considerably.
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Post by pim on Jul 10, 2019 17:21:56 GMT 10
Bloody hell, here I am on the Religion Board - and note that well gentle reader, the Religion Board(!!) - making an effort to mentor and lead him in prayer to the deities that he worships and he calls it bullying!! So here’s another prayer for you asshole! May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch and may your arms be too short to scratch. Amen!  |
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Post by pim on Jul 10, 2019 18:29:56 GMT 10
Pray to the Invisible Hand for guidance Trickles. Think of your franking credits  |
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Post by KTJ on Sept 10, 2019 19:47:44 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 11, 2019 0:54:36 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Sept 11, 2019 14:43:37 GMT 10
Looking back over this thread I can see it was Slarti who started it by doing the lazy thing of so-called "fact checking" the species that reportedly were brought onto and into the Ark. And of course on that shallow empirical level he's right. But what he ignores is what the Noah myth - and it is a myth and myths that inform culture deserve to be taken more seriously and studied in greater depth than the sneers of the paleo atheists who continue to troll the board even long after Slarti left us - tells us about an event, or series of natural events, that occurred in the Mediterranean and Black Sea basins between five and ten thousand years ago. I'm talking about the something that happened before there were even humans on the planet and that's the Zanclean Deluge that happened suddenly over 5 million years ago when the Atlantic Ocean burst through, created the Straits of Gibraltar, and filled the Mediterranean. Meanwhile the Black Sea was a fragment, a leftover from an even more ancient ocean and was a freshwater lake. To cut to the chase, at a time before recorded history when the human populations around this ancient freshwater lake (much smaller than the current Black Sea) were stone age Neolithic farmers and hunter gatherers, the Sea of Marmara burst through the natural sill separating it from the Black Sea and doubled the lake in size and turned the freshwater lake into a saline inland sea. This would have been a catastrophic event for human communities in the vicinity. Change is not always gradual - what's happening with climate change today should tell us that - it can also be sudden and catastrophic. There are no written records from those events but obviously it would have lodged and taken root in the folk memories of survivors and their descendants. The fact that it was mythologised in the stories of cultures throughout the eastern Mediterranean, including the Hebrew Bible, only serves to underscore the impact and ongoing consequences of those events. Moreover what's noteworthy is that the myths attempt to draw moral lessons from those events in a way that's not unlike the Dreamtime myths of indigenous Australians. There was a time millennia ago when Australia was volcanically active and stories of how the rainbow serpent caused the earth to spew fire and brimstone are part of the myths of the First People. These myths are of great interest to anthropologists and other scholars because when you dovetail them with the geological data you can deduce a lot about Aboriginal society pre European settlement.
I only put up this post not to have a go at Slarti who obviously has found a life off board and I wish him well, but because this thread is still live.
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Post by KTJ on Sept 11, 2019 15:07:39 GMT 10
Maori oral history and legends talk of taniwha ... water monsters suddenly rushing in and destroying everything.
Scientists now believe those taniwha events were tsunamis, which resulted in Maori building their pa on high ground.
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Post by pim on Sept 11, 2019 16:18:21 GMT 10
Noah's Ark is not necessarily "another Bible Lie" as the thread title sneers at us. The weakness in Slarti's so-called "analysis" is in its literalism. It ignores the poetry which conveys a far deeper truth. As do the Dreamtime myths ...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Sept 13, 2019 1:55:13 GMT 10
There are flood myths found across the world. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_mythsWhat should be noted is not the differences between them, rather what they all share in common. -Most of the accounts report a global flood where one man and his family were saved. |
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Post by pim on Sept 13, 2019 9:29:26 GMT 10
I think you're right Occam. I'm familiar with European myths and some Dreamtime myths down under - the First People don't share everything with us and I don't blame them - but I know next to nothing about the creation mythology of American First Nations. That there were major flood events in the northern hemisphere is beyond question. The collapse of the Laurentide (or should that be Laurentian) ice sheet at the end of the ice age would have been a catastrophic event for any human populations in North America. And not just north America. For the Laurentide ice sheet to collapse had the effect of raising global sea levels by hundreds of metres. It was the equivalent of several Greenland ice sheets. Even the southern hemisphere was affected. Australia didn't have any ice sheets (it did have glaciers) but the rise in sea levels turned the natural environment of where Sydney is today from a river valley 200 km inland to the harbour we know today. So I'm not surprised that humans processed these catastrophic events by mythologising them. The inclusion of a man with a boat to me is an attempt at finding a moral dimension which I find says something good about the way humans historically have dealt with natural disasters.
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