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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 0:44:54 GMT 10
Massive tax grab....bullshit pancakes.
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Post by pim on May 24, 2018 9:44:59 GMT 10
But that's OK Phil, you've found the answer: you're going to vote Liberal! You love public squalor and trickle down economics.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 18:19:24 GMT 10
Its a legitimate complaint from Labor....then looney tune LNP voters would find nasty LNP games funny.
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Post by pim on May 26, 2018 15:14:04 GMT 10
Phil supports the GST on tampons 'coz he's gonna vote Liberal
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 17:18:09 GMT 10
For a political party to use the law to go after its opponents sets a dangerous path....sack the LNP.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 17:28:47 GMT 10
Everything about the LNP is fake....makes you wonder what sort of weirdo(s) would vote for them....
Turnbull’s ‘Fake’ Jobs May 29, 2018 Written by: The AIM Network
By Michael Griffin ©
Despite the 403,000 ‘new jobs’ that Turnbull and his employment minister, Michaelia Cash, claim to have created over 2017, over that same period the unemployment rate fell by only 0.1% from 5.6% to 5.5%. On the face of it, that seems an odd phenomenon.
The 403,000 jobs Turnbull claims to have created during the course of 2017 is approximately 50% of the number of unemployed. On that basis, any ordinary person would be forgiven for expecting that such a huge number of ‘new jobs’ would put a very significant dent in the unemployment numbers.
No doubt, that same ordinary person would be equally surprised to find that it hadn’t. It stands to reason that if all the jobs Turnbull claims to have created had gone to an unemployed Australian, then the unemployment rate, and the public costs of Newstart, and of the homelessness that results from unemployment, would have been at least halved.
So what is really happening here?
As indicated by an article by Tim Colebatch in Inside Story on 20 April 2018, the reason the jobs growth touted by Turnbull had no impact on the jobless figures for the corresponding period is because nearly 73% of the so-called ‘new jobs’ Turnbull claims to have created went to new migrants.
As Colebatch’s linked article indicates, hidden within a recently released joint report of the Treasury and Department of Home Affairs Offices entitled ‘Shaping the Nation (2018)’, which the title itself implies the deliberate adoption of a strategic policy of social engineering akin to that suggested by the Club of Rome and by neo-liberal globalists, that would alarm many conspiracy theorists and nationalists, and which report seems to have been conveniently ‘missed’ by the great Australian professional media, is this:
“Recent migrants accounted for two thirds (64.5%) of the approximately 850,000 net jobs created in the past five years. For full-time employment, the impact is even more pronounced, with recent migrants accounting for 72.4 percent of new jobs created.”
Hence, not much more than one-quarter of all the jobs Turnbull claims to have created have gone to Australian citizens, in particular, to the unemployed. The remaining nearly three-quarters of jobs created have gone to migrants on a working visa of some sort.
The fact that the jobs created have largely been taken by migrants partly explains why the official unemployment rate dropped by only 0.1% during the same period that Turnbull and Cash claim the increased job numbers occurred.
This discrepancy occurs because the migrants taking the jobs would not have been receiving Newstart before they took up their new job in Australia and, hence, would not have been included in the unemployment figures before or after they started working.
Put simply, they would not have been registered as unemployed before they got their new Australian job because they would not have been in Australia when the jobless figures were tallied. Consequently, when they arrive in Australia and start their new job, their employment is not deducted against the jobless figure.
Amongst other things, these facts indicate that Turnbull and his LNP government cannot legitimately use jobs growth numbers to justify their continuing persecution of the unemployed. Indeed, the facts probably support the opposite. That is, that the LNP’s ongoing persecution of the unemployed is unreasonable because it is government policy, in permitting so many work visa migrants into Australia, that has caused, and is still causing, the plight of the unemployed in Australia.
In other words, the government is to blame for unemployment NOT the individual unemployed person who is, in reality, a victim of the LNP’s anti-Australian, pro-immigrant ‘(re)shaping the nation’ policy.
But there is another factor relevant to why the official long-term unemployment rate was barely impacted upon by the ‘new jobs’ Turnbull and Cash claim to have created and which factor is not so evident from the Shaping the Nation report and that Tim Colebatch does not mention.
Reviewing the Australian Bureau of Statistics (‘ABS’) Labour statistics pages, upon which Turnbull and Cash rely to make their jobs growth claims, then we learn that the ABS does not measure ‘full-time jobs’ at all but measures only ‘working hours’.
The ABS defines a ‘job’, for the purpose of job creation statistics, to include any increased hour of work for those already employed. Hence, when a worker undertakes additional hours in the form of overtime, for instance, or when a casual or part-time employee works a few extra hours, then each of the additional hours worked is included as a new and separately created ‘job’ in the ABS statistics.
Hence, six additional hours of work by the same person undertaking the tasks they usually do in their usual job is counted as six brand new jobs. This is the case even if the same person is working for the same employer, in the same workplace and is undertaking the same tasks they do in their ordinary or usual work hours. The only difference is that the same person is working a few additional hours more than they did at the time the ABS measured working hours in the previous year.
The ABS relies upon international standards to measure ‘hours of work’ as separate jobs in the way it does. ‘Resolution I’ of The 18th International Conference of Labour Statisticians concerns the measurement of working time. It states the following:
“Working time can be measured for short measurement units, such as minutes or hours, or for long units such as half-days, days, weeks or months. The measurement unit of “hours” is used for ease of reference.”
The ABS has chosen the ‘ease of reference approach’ by using an hour as the unit of measurement for the creation of a ‘job’. To that effect, the ABS reports that those interviewed in their job creation survey for 2017 responded that they were working on average 0.6% more hours than those interviewed for the corresponding survey at the same time in 2016.
The ABS then extrapolates the percentage of additional hours worked by those in its limited survey sample to the Australian workforce as a whole and it then calculates the total ‘new jobs’ created from the figure arrived at after the process of extrapolation to the entire workforce.
Hence, the ABS assumes that, like those employees in their limited survey, every worker in Australia has also worked 0.6% more hours than they did in the previous year and, in this instance, it arrives at the conclusion that 403,000 additional working hours, and, hence, 403,000 ‘new jobs’, have been created across the entire economy during that period.
In sum, what Turnbull’s 403,000 ‘new jobs’ really means is that 403,000 more hours have been worked than the last time a measurement was taken by the ABS. However, because each additional single hour worked is regarded as a ‘new job’, Turnbull and Cash are able to claim that the 403,000 additional hours worked is also 403,000 ‘new jobs’.
What has been created then by Turnbull is actually 403,000 additional hours of work, not 403,000 new full-time jobs as Turnbull would like us all to believe. In fact, if the additional 403,000 working hours is divided by the average weekly full-time hours of 37.5 hrs, then it calculates that for the period for which he and Cash boast of creating 403,000 ‘new jobs’, they have actually only created the equivalent of approximately 10,747 full-time jobs.
Applying the percentages disclosed in Shaping the Nation, then we can see that, of those 10,747 equivalent full-time jobs, about 73 %, or 8,060 equivalent full-time jobs, were worked by migrants on visa and the bulk of the rest of the equivalent full-time jobs by existing employees spread across the nation. All the additional 0.6% hours worked by existing employees across the nation provide the other working hours, which, when tallied together and then divided by 37.5 hrs, make up the remaining equivalent full-time jobs not worked by migrants on a visa.
Significantly, neither of these groups – migrants or existing employees – were included in the previous jobless figures because they were either employed or not in Australia at all when the jobless figures were measured in 2016 or 2017. Because they were not previously included in the jobless figures, the additional working hours undertaken by migrants or by existing employees had no effective impact on the unemployment rate during the corresponding period and, consequently, that rate fell by only 0.1 %.
This also means that few unemployed people benefited from migrants getting an Australian job, or from existing workers undertaking additional work, during the period that the measurements were taken.
These figures also indicate that the cost of unemployment is not ameliorated when migrants on visa take an Australian job. If the 403,000 ‘jobs’ Turnbull claims to have been created had gone to an unemployed Australian, then approximately half the annual amount spent on Newstart, or about $5 billion per annum, would have been saved to be freed up for spending in other areas or for debt reduction.
Seems that Turnbull is committed to the use of rubbery figures and statistics to create a false picture of reality. By doing so he can conveniently use these rubbery statistics for the generation of his fake news on job creation, to justify his ongoing victimisation of the unemployed, for his ongoing deception of the Australian people about his government’s economic credentials and as a dubious reason for his implementation of discredited trickle-down neo-liberal economic policies and for his advocacy for the maintenance of a failing capitalist market system – a system that can provide neither sufficient jobs nor adequate housing for the citizens of the nation in which it operates
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 18:11:09 GMT 10
Its not the RW Australian that you so often cite Don so you sneer.....get that with new found neo Liberals.......hows the goose steppin' classes going....
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 22:16:32 GMT 10
Confirming that the unemployment rate is 5.5 to 5.7....nothing changed. This explains Don's recent weird political change....readin' too much of the Australian raq. Day to Day Politics: The Murdoch machine has started its right wing crusade
May 30, 2018 Written by: John Lord
Murdoch In recent weeks, once it became apparent that an election was imminent, the Murdoch Media ramped up its attack on the left of politics. The Australian newspaper changed the way their polls counted preferences so as to give the impression they were closer than they actually were. In reality, Monday’s results should have shown a 6 point difference between the parties. The tabloids have started their outrageous front page insults sowing the seeds of untruth followed by inaccurate stories like the one that accompanied The Australians poll. The independent poll assessor “The Poll Bludger” had this to say: “Also featured is a poorly framed question as to “when should company tax cuts be introduced”, which primes responses favourable to cuts both in the wording of the question and the structure of the response options, two out of three of which are pro-tax cut. For what they are worth, the results are that 36% favour such a cut “as soon as possible”, 27% do so “in stages over the next ten years” and, contrary to polls that haven’t privileged a positive response in this way, only 29% want one “not at all”. Of course, The Australian is Rupert Murdoch’s favourite broadsheet. It loses around $20 million every year but Murdoch refuses to give it a decent burial, instead, using it as a feeder publication for the likes of Jones, Bolt and Hadley and other shock jocks of dubious accountability. Shock jocks who shout the most outrageous lies and vilify people’s character with impunity and in the process do nothing to promote decent democratic illumination. The Australian online edition is full of anti-ALP headlines that at times beggar belief. One example is their support for the Government’s massive tax cuts for the top end of town. One day recently I counted 10 headlines either supporting the government or attacking Labor. In every publication, derogatory names for the Leader of the Opposition are used more often than “stop the boats.” Because of there juvenile nature none have captured the imagination of the public. Now they are having another go with “Unbelieva-Bill.” Unbelievable isn’t it. Of course, these days Murdoch and his majority-owned newspapers; with blatant support for right-wing politics have done nothing to advance Australia as a modern enlightened democratic society. On the contrary, he has damaged it, perhaps irreparably. His only interest seems to be the elimination of the ABC and the superiority of right wing conservatism. Declining newspaper sales have resulted in lost revenue and profits. It is losing its authority, real or imagined. As a result, newspapers, in particular, have degenerated into gutter political trash in the hope that they might survive. Despite an avalanche of “deplorable government” stories Murdoch continues to support Turnbull. There is no logical reason to do so. He could just as easily print/post the truth. As for Coalition politicians they lust after the nearest mike to spread their lies and blame Labor for all that ails society. Yes despite 6 years in power they press the default button and sprinkle well-rehearsed words that place the blame for everything on Labor. My thought for the day ”This Government’s performance over its time in office has been like a daily shower of offensiveness raining down on society.”
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Post by pim on May 30, 2018 23:28:57 GMT 10
Everything about the LNP is fake....makes you wonder what sort of weirdo(s) would vote for them.... Well, there's Philibuster for a start...!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 8:30:05 GMT 10
Yes Don but no identity as to who are getting the jobs or what there pay is with wages stagnation....it may well be as one would think its migrants working cheaper or on work visas that are getting the jobs...not the dinki di's nor sadly the Aboriginal folk.
But that's the way its going for you Don as you have now lost faith in Labor and only see the LNP fake news as truth such as with your everyone pays tax with GST comment on the other thread, ignoring the fact the rich are rorting the tax system as the LNP would have it...you have narrowed your field of vision to sing hallelujahs for the LNP and its trickle down economics.
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Post by pim on May 31, 2018 10:41:11 GMT 10
Yes Don but no identity as to who are getting the jobs or what there pay is with wages stagnation....it may well be as one would think its migrants working cheaper or on work visas that are getting the jobs...not the dinki di's nor sadly the Aboriginal folk. But that's the way its going for you Don as you have now lost faith in Labor and only see the LNP fake news as truth such as with your everyone pays tax with GST comment on the other thread, ignoring the fact the rich are rorting the tax system as the LNP would have it...you have narrowed your field of vision to sing hallelujahs for the LNP and its trickle down economics. VERY good, Ponto! There's hope for you yet!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 16:54:04 GMT 10
The we go true LNP'er kicking really poor people welfare recipients....as we know the only reason the unemployment figures look good is due to the high level of immigration hence why unemployemnt figures remain relatively high...not because the LNP are miracle workers on the economy...its growth based on a farce...a ponZi scheme.
But there we go refuse to look at the broader picture....next you be hallelujah's for Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 21:38:51 GMT 10
Just a reminder what fuckwitism is...
Penalty rate cut fails to stimulate jobs, survey shows By Eryk Bagshaw 14 December 2017 — 6:03pm
Cutting penalty rates across the country has failed to create any extra jobs or give workers more hours, new research has found.
In a blow to the Turnbull government's backing of the Fair Work Commission's decision to reduce penalty rates, a survey of 1351 workers by the University of Wollongong and Macquarie University found there has been no short-term increase in average weekly hours worked by employees.
University of Wollongong lecturer Dr Martin O'Brien.
Fair Work justified its decision in March by arguing a gradual reduction in penalty rates would result in more trading hours, an expansion in the level of services offered and an increase in overall hours worked.
But University of Wollongong lecturer Martin O'Brien will tell the Western Economic Association International conference in January that some workers actually experienced a drop in the number of penalty-rate hours they worked in the first two months after they were reduced. Hospitality workers experienced no change to their hours.
Hospitality workers experienced no change to their hours. Photo: Glenn Hunt
Dr O'Brien concluded that up to 15 per cent of all retail workers who were employed on Sundays worked 9 per cent fewer hours between June and July, while hospitality workers experienced no change to their hours.
"The [retail] results confirm a statistically significant decrease in the proportion of our award employees working on Sundays between June and July 2017," he said.
"This finding is in stark contrast to the hypothesised outcome."
The report, which is the first piece of research published on the impact of the decision, is likely to be seized on by Labor as it frames penalty rates as one of its key policy differentials ahead of Saturday's Bennelong byelection where the Turnbull government's majority is at risk.
Hospitality workers impacted were more likely to be in regional areas. Photo: Arsineh Houspian
Despite the political furore around Fair Work, penalty rate reductions remain in their infancy after undergoing the first round of three annual 5-percentage-point cuts in June.
The Business Council of Australia has long argued the reductions were needed to reflect a 24/7 economy and that Sunday hours were no more unsociable than Saturday, which they will progressively be shifted in line with.
Employers reported they would increase employment if penalty rates were reduced in Australian Industry group surveys relied on as a key body of evidence by Fair Work in reaching its decision.
Dr O'Brien said the unexpected outcome could also have been influenced by an increase in the number of employees choosing not to work on Sundays for lower pay.
"Information collected in our survey does give some indirect evidence to support this, with 19 per cent of retail employees and 14 per cent of hospitality employees intending to leave their respective industry in coming years purely due to their discontent with wages and conditions," he said.
He found the groups most affected by the decision were females aged under 35 and students working for small and medium businesses in retail, while full-time and part-time hospitality workers impacted by the cuts were more likely to be older employees in regional areas.
In October, the Federal Court dismissed a case brought by United Voice and the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association to have the penalty rate changes overturned after it found the Fair Work Commission had met its legal obligation to workers.
The research is expected to continue until the full rollout of penalty rate reductions is completed in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 7:42:22 GMT 10
Yes when wages are a basic $11 hour...that's what they want...serfdom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:08:03 GMT 10
Now its $18.93 give them the opportunity and the will reduce the minimum wage....its a US style laissez faire economy that's the goal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:16:23 GMT 10
With inflation and wage stagnation ...yes....why do you think they took away penalty rates...rich getting richer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:20:44 GMT 10
Yes with wage stagnation and high inflation on basic food, goods,electricity , fuel etc.....wage stagnation will continue under the neo liberals until 2020.....so by shifty means the basic minimum wage has gone backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:56:21 GMT 10
Before neo liberalism took hold of political ideology go back to 60'-90's people on a basic wage were better off, it was a living wage....therefore the basic wage has gone backward and stagnated...basic fact.
The recent increase doesn't cover what it use to be.
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Post by pim on Jun 4, 2018 18:40:23 GMT 10
We realise that you'll desperately stick to that phony point like glue, Trickle Down, because it's all that you have - or kid yourself that you have. But Ponto's right. What's the point of proactively cutting the minimum wage and having to wear the odium of doing so, when inflation will do that for you and the employer can then say "don't blame me!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 19:09:35 GMT 10
That's the point when wages have not increased and inflation rises then that's effectively a pay cut.
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Post by pim on Jun 4, 2018 19:54:46 GMT 10
As I said... We realise that you'll desperately stick to that phony point like glue, Trickle Down, because it's all that you have - or kid yourself that you have. But Ponto's right. What's the point of proactively cutting the minimum wage and having to wear the odium of doing so, when inflation will do that for you and the employer can then say "don't blame me!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 19:59:22 GMT 10
OK not a direct cut as such that's just a moot point certainly the result is a downward and backward trend, those on a basic wage today having less spending power than in the past...the main point.
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Post by pim on Jun 5, 2018 7:37:33 GMT 10
You need "help" to get to 20 000 posts? Oh btw let's not gild the lily here: that's 20 000 posts of drivel. Let's not leave out the "drivel" part. Trickle Down Phil you're being disingenuous here. You need about as much help in spamming your way to 20 000 posts as a fish does to swim!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:47:25 GMT 10
Tony Abbott came to mind when I saw this...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 6:55:21 GMT 10
The rich will be thankful....the rest will soon forget the extra few bucks a week in their pay packets.
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