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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 4, 2017 11:37:23 GMT 10
LOL Why would I ever need to ridicule you when you do such a wonderful job of it yourself. I am do sorry that you feel ridiculed by you posting a ridiculous story and being unable to tell fact from fiction. But hey, I guess that's what comes with your territory. And the giant squid wasn't the only thing you deleted. Try some honesty for a change. Brilliant, all he ever has is photos stolen from others and fake news. I love it 😀
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 4, 2017 11:38:53 GMT 10
And you expected NOT to get ridiculed for this? ...So you believe that people do things to earn being sneered at? Hey, don't blame for the stories you put up.😁 Take a look in the mirror to find out who is responsible for posting fake news.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 11:39:02 GMT 10
Brilliant, all he ever has is photos stolen from others and fake news. I love it 😀 And you expected NOT to get ridiculed for this? ...So you believe that people do things to earn being sneered at?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 11:40:52 GMT 10
...So you believe that people do things to earn being sneered at? Hey, don't blame for the stories you put up.😁 Take a look in the mirror to find out who is responsible for posting fake news. And after realizing it was a hoax, I took it down, and guess who opened a new thread just to sneer some more ? Hint: it wasn't me.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 11:43:45 GMT 10
Slarti, it was established a long time ago, the first parting shot was yours.
Don't start playing the victim now that you are being called out on it
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 4, 2017 11:45:36 GMT 10
Really? Proof?? And who started it again in this topic.
Hint - not me!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 11:53:08 GMT 10
Bigotry is a sneer against religion. I confront intolerance in all forms.
Don't want my scorn? Don't be a bigot and we'll banter over beers.
It's just that simple
It is possible to disagree with religion without being hostile toward the religious...
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 4, 2017 12:20:43 GMT 10
But religion is filled with bigotry, sexism, violence, why would I not scorn at that?
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 13:28:22 GMT 10
But religion is filled with bigotry, sexism, violence, why would I not scorn at that? No, that's your fallacy. Please, after 5 years of the Religion Board - or is it 6? Or 7? Or whatever - you still come up with that disingenuous bullshit? Fair dinkum mate you give atheism a bad name. Isn't it time you gave it a rest? You've made your point: you reject religious faith. You're entitled to that view. But to troll the board because you have some sort of problem with religious people so you have to come here and spit your spite, your venom, your disdain and your contempt at them, don't you have better things to do with your time?
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 4, 2017 13:39:31 GMT 10
But religion is filled with bigotry, sexism, violence, why would I not scorn at that? No, that's your fallacy. Please, after 5 years of the Religion Board - or is it 6? Or 7? Or whatever - you still come up with that disingenuous bullshit? Fair dinkum mate you give atheism a bad name. Isn't it time you gave it a rest? You've made your point: you reject religious faith. You're entitled to that view. But to troll the board because you have some sort of problem with religious people so you have to come here and spit your spite, your venom, your disdain and your contempt at them, don't you have better things to do with your time? It's a fallacy? How so? Show me a religion that is not filled with bigotry, sexism and violence?
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 13:53:17 GMT 10
Whatever Slarti. Please consider amending that to please show me any human philosophy, whether secular or religious, that is not marked by violence, misogyny and whatever that other stuff was that you said.
But shit mate we've traversed this ground over and over again for Christ knows how long - for as long as the Religion Board has been in existence. We know the arguments. Has anyone's position shifted? Do you think that's likely? Of course not. So what's the point of this trolling, this spite, this venom, this disdain and this contempt?
I'm not interested in your hubris whereby you believe that just because you feel a certain way about religion, those who refuse to sing from that songsheet merit hostility and to be trolled.
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 14:11:46 GMT 10
You first, Troll One!
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 14:22:37 GMT 10
<sigh> it seems that Phil claims the right to play the martyr.
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 14:25:51 GMT 10
Keep up the hubris, Phil. You seem to have an inexhaustible supply of it!
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Post by pim on Mar 4, 2017 14:40:30 GMT 10
Jody, Occam, Phil isn't just up to his old tricks of vetting and editing my posts on this thread, he's also doing it here: newstalkback1.proboards.com/post/93828/quote/5628What's more, he's taken to editing my posts and reposting them so that they read not just as something that I didn't post, but as something that I would never post. No discussion board could tolerate that sort of behaviour.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 22:37:20 GMT 10
But religion is filled with bigotry, sexism, violence, why would I not scorn at that? You are welcome to your opinion. But that doesn't answer the bigger question: Why must you troll the individual simply for having a different insight than you?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 4, 2017 23:04:10 GMT 10
Jody, Occam, Phil isn't just up to his old tricks of vetting and editing my posts on this thread, he's also doing it here: newstalkback1.proboards.com/post/93828/quote/5628What's more, he's taken to editing my posts and reposting them so that they read not just as something that I didn't post, but as something that I would never post. No discussion board could tolerate that sort of behaviour. How can I be editing your posts? I'm NOT a Moderator. I don't have the power to edit your posts. I offer alternative posts minus the sneers / attacks / abuse as a service to you. If you stop posting sneers / attacks / abuse ... then I won't post alternative free from sneers / attacks / abuse posts. You don't see just how bizarre your stand is do you? You're in effect "arguing" that someone who serially breaks the ToS is better than someone offering an alternative example of a post that does NOT break the ToS! Just reflect on that situation for a while, instead of jumping from foot to foot and turning purple trying to bizarrely defend the serial breaking of the ToS. I'd take your complaint a bit more seriously if you didn't have a personal stake; such as sparing your wounded ego. If you wish to convince me of your sincerity; advocate for someone who is not protected by your personal interests.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 5, 2017 6:17:15 GMT 10
But religion is filled with bigotry, sexism, violence, why would I not scorn at that? You are welcome to your opinion. But that doesn't answer the bigger question: Why must you troll the individual simply for having a different insight than you? I started this topic and you brought my name back into it for no reason other than to attack me. So it is pretty obvious who the troll is. Thanks for showing your true colours to everyone. So please tell us why must you troll me simply for having a different insight than you? And my opinion on religion is pretty well stated. I believe that everyone is born WITHOUT religion. It is indoctrinated into us with fear (i.e. of going to hell). I believe that parents who force religion onto their children are guilty of child cruelty. Feel free to prove me wrong, but proof is something that you excel in NOT providing. Thank you, have a great day.
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Post by KTJ on Mar 5, 2017 10:00:46 GMT 10
Okay....let's go right back to the very beginning....a task for you religionists....
PROVE your god exists.
Then....once you have done that, we can debate religion from the beginning.
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Post by pim on Mar 5, 2017 10:35:18 GMT 10
How long has the Religion Board been in existence? How many years? How many times over that period have you put that tedious question? Have you ever been given an answer? Do you think you'll ever be given an answer? We both know the answer to those two questions.
So, where does that leave you? No empirical proof, no deductive reasoning, or syllogism, leading to a logical conclusion - at least none that would satisfy you. So what's the outcome? Total stasis, no going forward or backward, you turn into a stuck needle on a cracked LP repeating the same old same old ... and the years pass, or rather time stands still because nothing changes: no fresh insights, no interesting new angle. Consequently it all turns in on itself and becomes destructive: you turn into Troll Two to Phil's Troll One and indulge in pack behaviour trolling anyone who pops his head up on the Religion Board to do what? Defend their religious faith? On the Religion Board? Shock horror!
Isn’t it time you pack of trolls packed it in and found something else to do?
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Post by KTJ on Mar 5, 2017 11:12:54 GMT 10
Without PROOF that god/s exist, debating religion is all a waste of time.
However, once that PROOF (absolute, naturally) is provided, then we can rationally debate religion.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 5, 2017 11:44:10 GMT 10
How long has the Religion Board been in existence? How many years? How many times over that period have you put that tedious question? Have you ever been given an answer? Do you think you'll ever be given an answer? We both know the answer to those two questions. So, where does that leave you? No empirical proof, no deductive reasoning, or syllogism, leading to a logical conclusion - at least none that would satisfy you. So what's the outcome? Total stasis, no going forward or backward, you turn into a stuck needle on a cracked LP repeating the same old same old ... and the years pass, or rather time stands still because nothing changes: no fresh insights, no interesting new angle. Consequently it all turns in on itself and becomes destructive: you turn into Troll Two to Phil's Troll One and indulge in pack behaviour trolling anyone who pops his head up on the Religion Board to do what? Defend their religious faith? On the Religion Board? Shock horror! Isn’t it time you pack of trolls packed it in and found something else to do? Why do you only find fault in one side of the argument. I have clearly shown who trolls whom. And you endlessly troll all the Atheists without putting forward any argument against us, seriously! You run around from topic to topic against KTJ and Phil and now me. Let he who is without sin blah blah blah.
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Post by pim on Mar 5, 2017 12:56:10 GMT 10
Why do you only find fault in one side of the argument. I have clearly shown who trolls whom. And you endlessly troll all the Atheists without putting forward any argument against us, seriously! You run around from topic to topic against KTJ and Phil and now me. Let he who is without sin blah blah blah. Oh none of us is without sin, slarti. Even atheists will acknowledge that. So do agnostics. We not only acknowledge our flaws and imperfections, we embrace them. The more honest among us even admit to needing them. Except of course those trolls who strike a pose claiming the mantle of what they grandiloquently declare to be "atheism". Problem is that in their hubris and conceit they believe that their model of "atheism" is the only one, the correct one and the only "true" one. In so doing they turn into atheist "fundamentalists" which I refer to as atheists of the "paleo" variety. Paleo atheists are distinguished by vanity and conceit. You need an overdose of vanity, conceit and hubris to claim with a straight face that atheists are "without sin". But to your question! I've had my debates with Occam - a long time ago. On another NTB before you came onto the board as slarti. As I recall you ran another board which through no fault of yours became dysfunctional as Jockstrap and I increasingly locked horns. I ended up on NTB when it had Matt and Altair who spread their fundamentalist god bothering far and wide. The exchanges were wild and woolly as I recall. There was a phrase I used to Altair (Skippy) ... what was it again ... his "sky god who smites". I was rather proud of that. And then of course there was Matt who pretended to have converted from Mormonism to Islam, with of course a very nasty Muslim bashing agenda. I remember we all had fun doing great piss takes of him with that one. Lechat became board moderator and threw me off the board for six months and ultimately Megan stopped their game and they all went off to their locked board. But all this you know. I do recall I had my exchanges with Occam back then when he was Veritas. There's heaps we disagree on and would again if you paleo atheists didn't troll the board in the way that you do. The difference is that with Occam we quickly got to the points of difference - not disagreement, mind, note I said "difference" - and we'd discuss them courteously and affably. I regard Occam as a friend. Not only do I find him accepting of difference but during the worst of my disputes with NTB as Racist Central he was supportive without having to grandstand about it. Please don't play the victim slarti, that somehow I'm "picking on" atheists. I know you well enough to understand you're better than that. Look, you've been posting on this board for X years. You're in stasis here with your paleo atheism. This is the Religion Board. If you can't respect that then don't you think you're done here because there's nothing left to say?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 5, 2017 14:52:01 GMT 10
You are welcome to your opinion. But that doesn't answer the bigger question: Why must you troll the individual simply for having a different insight than you? I started this topic and you brought my name back into it for no reason other than to attack me. So it is pretty obvious who the troll is. No. I referenced you because it was relevant to our current discussion. There were no sneers, I simply stated a behavior you were culpable for in the past. If you disagree with what I said, attack that; not me. And stop being be disingenuous, this acrimony between us happened long before I mentioned you in this thread. You said it yourself, people who are factually mistaken about any subject and post it here, deserve to be ridiculed and bullied for it: And then you proceeded to make light of mental illness. ...How exactly does that put you on the moral high ground in this matter?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 5, 2017 14:54:03 GMT 10
"flaws and imperfections" are not sin. I say again: by definition, Atheists are without sin. No it just means you are ignorant of sin.
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