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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 11, 2012 10:12:51 GMT 10
Do you really believe that? Do you have evidence for it?
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Post by pim on Nov 11, 2012 10:15:39 GMT 10
Can we leave people who suffer from Asperger's out of it? I've had to work with Asperger's sufferers in my work and I'd kinda prefer you didn't use their affliction as a put down. I had to undertake a long and difficult journey of my own on people with disabilities when I started finding them in my classroom as an English teacher. There have been several with Aspergers and in one particular case I recall the school neglected to brief me. Poor kid. In another case I had a student with muscular dystrophy. With his bodily movements he was like an india rubber man and when he spoke he was impossible to understand ... until I realised what his problem was: the kid could pronounce vowels but not consonants. It was really all about listening to him - really listening to him - listening to the intonation patterns and the cadences as well as the vocalisations, and in many cases I found I could infer the consonants. Suddenly the kid could be understood. He was in Year 9 then. Last I heard he'd finished a theology degree. He still emails me.
It taught me to treat disabled people with respect.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 11, 2012 10:17:32 GMT 10
Fair enough, Pim. I retract the statement. I agree it was insensitive.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 11, 2012 10:20:13 GMT 10
Can we leave people who suffer from Asperger's out of it? I've had to work with Asperger's sufferers in my work and I'd kinda prefer you didn't use their affliction as a put down. I had to undertake a long and difficult journey of my own on people with disabilities when I started finding them in my classroom as an English teacher. There have been several with Aspergers and in one particular case I recall the school neglected to brief me. Poor kid. In another case I had a student with muscular dystrophy. With his bodily movements he was like an india rubber man and when he spoke he was impossible to understand ... until I realised what his problem was: the kid could pronounce vowels but not consonants. It was really all about listening to him - really listening to him - listening to the intonation patterns and the cadences as well as the vocalisations, and in many cases I found I could infer the consonants. Suddenly the kid could be understood. He was in Year 9 then. Last I heard he'd finished a theology degree. He still emails me. It taught me to treat disabled people with respect. I am intrigued that a person with Asperger's would pursue theology as a field. It's a bit out of character for what we know of the condition, isn't it? It must be quite a story.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 11, 2012 10:23:01 GMT 10
you are a complete inbecile when i was 4 years old I was in a Catholic orphanage. that is why I hate and fight all Christianity - because you people are inhuman monsters. And you know it. You love being cruel - its all you know. Have you considered your hatred of religion may be coloured by the ghosts of your past, and perhaps every religious person may in fact not be the monsters you perceive them to be? I think you need counselling, Buzz. And I don't mean that as a put-down.
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Post by pim on Nov 11, 2012 10:39:04 GMT 10
you are a complete inbecile when i was 4 years old I was in a Catholic orphanage. that is why I hate and fight all Christianity - because you people are inhuman monsters. And you know it. You love being cruel - its all you know. Buzz you're not the only one. When I was 5 I was in a Catholic orphanage. Migrant family in rural northern NSW, mother gets sick, Dad has to work and can't look after all of the kids. Lays problem before the Catholic Church whishc steps in and tries to help by offering places in an orphanage run by nuns. It's where we all learned to speak English. It was a Dickensian sort of place and my memories aren't pleasant ones. We stayed there for well over a year. My mum was pretty crook. As I grew into adulthood and into mid life I got a letter from some ambulance chasing outfit. They'd done the gumshoe work and tracked down every past inmate of that institution going back to the year dot, and what their current address was, all those years later. A monumental piece of research. In the letter we were all invited to join in a class action against that order of nuns for abuse committed against us. It made me stop and think. Sure it was a Dickensian sort of place - poorly resourced and vastly understaffed, with a huge duty of care placed on those nuns. And yet they took us in even though we weren't orphans but a family going through a crisis and they wanted to help. I can only see compassion there. I know that my older brother, an academic with the level of professor, also got that letter, sent a copy to that order of nuns with a covering letter dissociating himself from any move to institute proceedings and offering his services as a supporting witness to testify on the nuns' behalf if ever it came to court. He signed it Professor <Name> with all his credentials. I think it was a letter they would have been very happy to receive. Sounds like we had similar experiences, Buzz, and at a similar age. Dunno what your orphanage was. Mine was a Catholic orphanage at Cowper in NSW - since closed (thank goodness!). On the banks of the Clarence River opposite Brushgrove. There's a bridge these days across the river to Brushgrove but back then there was a ferry. My Dad was the ferryman. Apparently the Catholic Church helped get him that job too. A house went with it so we were able to move back with our parents. We were there in the early 1950s. My differences with the church are all about theology. I acknowledge that the child abuse issue is a deep moral, legal and spiritual problem for the church. "Problem" doesn't cut it. This is a crisis of mammoth proportions and I don't know how it's going to pan out for everyone involved. But I wouldn't write the Catholic Church off. It's a lot more resilient than you think and it's also a lot more compassionate than you think.
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Post by fat on Nov 11, 2012 12:56:53 GMT 10
Buzz - how would you have survived at 4? At the very least you are still alive.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 12, 2012 4:27:27 GMT 10
The situation in Ireland is about Politics, not religion. (The Church of Ireland (RCC)vs. the church of England (Protestants)) You are emotionally unstable, and your hatred of religion is not objective. It's fueled by the emotional outrage, you've expressed in your last 2 entries. You are so blinded by the hatred of those who hurt you, that you can see nothing else. You are a bitter and angry little man Please seek professional help. I may be an ugly and evil man, but due to nothing more than God's grace; there is still hope that I will change into something better; I hope it's not too late for you. There is only one path bitterness, resentment, and hate for your enemies, can take you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 6:50:57 GMT 10
Life is bigger It's bigger than you And you are not me
Exchange between son and myself some years ago...
Son: Dad, what's a ' spigger'? Me: Spigger? Do you mean 'spigot'? Son: no, 'spigger' Me: where did you hear that Son: it's a song..it goes" oh, life...spigger....spigger than you and you are not me"
Well, that finished me! ;D
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Post by pim on Nov 12, 2012 8:08:41 GMT 10
Let stalk strine. Abysinia!
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 12, 2012 20:58:02 GMT 10
Before you make the incredibly rude and I correction assumption that I have Aspergers, can I humbly suggest that you re-read your own replies and see if they make sense?
Clue. They don't. You manage to contradict yourself, which is all I actually pointed out.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 14, 2012 10:47:52 GMT 10
Veritas - Stub Unmanly wants to destroy my book and crush me. Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. Heinrich Heine So...not only are you delusional, you're paranoid, also? I couldn't give 2 heaves about that supermarket tabloid you call a book.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 14, 2012 10:49:11 GMT 10
Before you make the incredibly rude and I correction assumption that I have Aspergers, can I humbly suggest that you re-read your own replies and see if they make sense? Clue. They don't. You manage to contradict yourself, which is all I actually pointed out. Re-read that, and do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 20:03:24 GMT 10
Even after I am dead I will fight religion. I could be worth selling tickets to your funeral, then!
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Post by fat on Nov 14, 2012 21:29:15 GMT 10
Buzz - I find it interesting that you believe in an afterlife.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 15, 2012 7:28:31 GMT 10
Before you make the incredibly rude and I correction assumption that I have Aspergers, can I humbly suggest that you re-read your own replies and see if they make sense? Clue. They don't. You manage to contradict yourself, which is all I actually pointed out. Re-read that, and do the same. Done - here is the evidence: First you state: P.S. "Losing my Religion" is a euphemism for cursing, Buzz. I then quoted the full lyrics to the song ending with: Yup, I see all the references to cursing. Somewhere. Anywhere. Where? Please note that I did not put my "interpretation" on it at all. Nor was I rude. I just asked the question where the reference to "Cursing" was. (as there was none). Then Veritas comes up with: The rock band R.E.M.'s song "Losing My Religion" is loosely based on this phrase. In an interview with Michael Stipe, he states that: "... In the South, in Georgia, where we live, if you say that you're 'Losing your religion' basically means that you're at the end of your rope, or that you've had it, you're fed up" [1]. [/i]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losing_religionThere. You have a direct quote from the lyricist and lead vocalist of REM, himself. But you go ahead as usual and believe YOUR interpretation, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. ...Has it occurred to you that you might still actually learn something, Slarti-pants? [/quote] To which I respond with: Where does Michael Stipe say it means "cursing"? I am very unlikely to learn anything from you, am I? And that apparently makes me someone with Asperberger's syndrome. Do you ever wonder why people treat you with disdain, Veritas?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 21, 2012 13:33:18 GMT 10
So...not only are you delusional, you're paranoid, also? I couldn't give 2 heaves about that supermarket tabloid you call a book. all you do is pour scorn on it and do all you can to crush me you try to destroy and only want to silence the people who speak out against the lie that is Christianity and the lie you believe. you have no respect or admiration for my work or efforts and want to silence all those who say you are deluded - when we know what we are talking about you do care - you want the book and me destroyed Even if that were so; you sought me out in another thread. --What does that make you? A masochist?, Are you obsessive- compulsive?, Schizophrenic?, Do you have abandonment issues? None of your claims follow, or ring with any sort of demonstrable truth. Have I made any moves to have your book removed, at all? Have I sought you out or given you any reason to believe that I wished you any sort of personal harm? Have I sought litigation? If I really meant to destroy you or your book, you have to admit I am demonstrating a remarkable lack of radical stimulus. Quite frankly, you should be more concerned about why I don't perceive your book as a threat, at all. Or why I won't waste the ink to respond to it.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 21, 2012 13:48:24 GMT 10
Re-read that, and do the same. Done - here is the evidence: First you state: I then quoted the full lyrics to the song ending with: Please note that I did not put my "interpretation" on it at all. Nor was I rude. I just asked the question where the reference to "Cursing" was. (as there was none). Then Veritas comes up with: To which I respond with: Where does Michael Stipe say it means "cursing"? I am very unlikely to learn anything from you, am I? And that apparently makes me someone with Asperberger's syndrome. Do you ever wonder why people treat you with disdain, Veritas? Suck it up, buttercup. The reference was made in context of my past discussions with you. In my experience, you need everything laid out plainly, or you miss the point. Metaphor and Analogy, seem to have missed the mark every time. It was an observation, not an insult. I don't consider those with Asperger's syndrome a lesser people. But I do understand their difficulties with abstract concepts. (However, I withdrew the comment at the request of darjeeling, as it was a bit insensitive.) If people wish to treat me with disdain, it says more about them, than I. I can't control what other people do, nor with I live in fear of other's reprisal. I don't take you too seriously; I don't even take me too seriously. I'm not about the 'ego' thing. Pompous people deserve a public depantsing, in my opinion. I am not about to change. Deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 14:08:52 GMT 10
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 21, 2012 14:28:15 GMT 10
"Pompous people deserve a public depantsing."
I hope you enjoyed yours. Now pull them up and deal with it like a man.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 21, 2012 19:37:59 GMT 10
Really? If that were really true, then why are you the crybaby blubbering about who said what?
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 21, 2012 22:18:43 GMT 10
Am I crying?
You're the one complaining about being shown up and are backpeddling faster than a politician.
I didn't have to go to your depths of depravity by asking if you had Aspergers.
All I had to do was point out your words and how as usual, you manage to contradict yourself.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 22, 2012 10:32:02 GMT 10
Am I crying? You're the one complaining about being shown up and are backpeddling faster than a politician. I didn't have to go to your depths of depravity by asking if you had Aspergers. All I had to do was point out your words and how as usual, you manage to contradict yourself. If that were even half true, you wouldn't need to go to such lengths to convince me. Another distorted exaggeration courtesy of our poor resident victim who heaps disdain on others for responding in kind. Your accusations are laughable. If you want people to play nice, perhaps you ought to consider being the change you want to see.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 22, 2012 14:22:00 GMT 10
All people have to do is be able to read. Your back flipping is plain to see.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 22, 2012 14:22:37 GMT 10
Btw, quoting you is not an accusation.
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