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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 14, 2012 18:47:01 GMT 10
I wouldn't cheat and lie to win 7 Tours De France for a start.
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 14, 2012 18:51:54 GMT 10
And testosterone does not appear to be a treatment for cancer. Treatment options include systemic chemotherapy, high-dose systemic chemotherapy with autologous bone marrow transplantation, surgery, and clinical trials testing new chemotherapy drugs.
He's a lying cheat and you're defending him!
He's been stripped of his Tours de France and there are now 7 new winners who will never have the pleasure of wearing the yellow jersey down the Arc de Triomphe because Armstrong cheated them out of that glorious moment!
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Post by matt on Oct 14, 2012 19:16:50 GMT 10
Don't you know the basics of biology?
If his nuts were removed, he would then require testosterone supplementation!
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Post by Salem on Oct 14, 2012 20:19:46 GMT 10
I'm 50-50 on this. Did he have BOTH testes removed, or just one? I'm looking up info now, and it seems he had only one removed. If thats so, men with one testicle cope perfectly fine without any additional testosterone, the remaining testicle is enough. If it wer two however, that would be a different story and would necessitate testosterone injections.
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Post by jody on Oct 14, 2012 20:25:22 GMT 10
pretty sure the cancer had spread to his lungs and brain too
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 14, 2012 22:28:51 GMT 10
On October 2, 1996, then aged 25, Armstrong was diagnosed as having stage three (advanced) testicular cancer (embryonal carcinoma). The cancer spread to his lungs, abdomen and brain. On his first visit to a urologist in Austin, Texas, for his cancer symptoms he was coughing up blood and had a large, painful testicular tumor. Immediate surgery and chemotherapy saved his life. Armstrong had an orchiectomy to remove his diseased testicle. After his surgery, his doctor said that he had less than a 40% survival chance.
The standard chemotherapeutic regimen for the treatment of this type of cancer is a cocktail of the drugs bleomycin, etoposide, and cisplatin (or Platinol) (BEP). Armstrong, however, chose an alternative, etoposide, ifosfamide, and cisplatin (VIP), to avoid the lung toxicity associated with bleomycin. This decision may have saved his cycling career. His primary treatment was received at the Indiana University (IU), Indianapolis, Medical Center, where Lawrence Einhorn had pioneered the use of cisplatinum to treat testicular cancer. His primary oncologist there was Craig Nichols. His brain tumors were surgically removed by Scott A. Shapiro, MD, Professor of Neurosurgery at Indiana University and Resident Director, and were found to contain extensive necrosis.
According to Armstrong's first book, Shapiro convinced him that he was the right neurosurgeon for him by saying: "You'll have to convince me you know what you're doing," said Armstrong. "Look, I've done a large number of these," Shapiro said, "I've never had anyone die, and I've never made anyone worse." "Yeah, but why should you be the person who operates on my head?" Armstrong responded. "Because as good as you are at cycling" – he paused – "I'm a lot better at brain surgery". His last chemotherapy treatment was received on December 13, 1996
No need for testosterone, Matt!
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Post by Salem on Oct 14, 2012 23:45:32 GMT 10
Thats what I read Slart. So if he still has one testicle, there is no need for testosterone. Matt said nut(s) plural, which is why I wondered.
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Post by matt on Oct 14, 2012 23:51:50 GMT 10
I will not stand in judgement of Lance Armstrong.
He has done a lot of good in this world and I believe the world should leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 1:38:45 GMT 10
I will not stand in judgement of Lance Armstrong. He has done a lot of good in this world and I believe the world should leave it at that. He is just another grubby cheat who has used underhanded methods to win in sport. Just like your heros in the former East Germany used to do.
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Post by sonex on Oct 15, 2012 7:28:58 GMT 10
Four Corners on ABC tonight.
"How was one of the most celebrated sporting heroes of all time condemned as a drug cheat? Did Lance Armstrong really fool us all? Quentin McDermott reports."
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 15, 2012 22:21:43 GMT 10
Well, I really hope that Jesus Saves watched Four Coners tonight to see his hero in action.
It seems quite likely that Armstrong got his cancer as a result of the drugs he took. EPO, Testerone, etc etc.
Karma - gotta love it!
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Post by matt on Oct 15, 2012 22:43:34 GMT 10
Well, I really hope that Jesus Saves watched Four Coners tonight to see his hero in action. It seems quite likely that Armstrong got his cancer as a result of the drugs he took. EPO, Testerone, etc etc. Karma - gotta love it! I wont be drawn into it, I am a Christian and will not judge.
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 16, 2012 6:22:59 GMT 10
You are making the claims that he used Testosterone to help his cancer.
He used testosterone BEFORE he had cancer to cheat!
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 16, 2012 6:23:34 GMT 10
I wonder how you would go if you had your nuts removed and without testosterone supplementation? Judgemental asshole! And you said that as a Christian, you will not judge. Just what did you do here? You judged someone!
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 16, 2012 6:24:09 GMT 10
And in Australia, you are called an ARSEHOLE, not an American ASSHOLE.
Please get away from the HIllsong crap!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 10:17:07 GMT 10
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Post by jody on Oct 16, 2012 10:44:04 GMT 10
yeah have to admit....seeing Aussies write asshole is irritating.
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Post by jody on Oct 16, 2012 10:44:53 GMT 10
wow look at that. my clock here at home is the same as the clock on the message I just wrote.
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Post by matt on Oct 16, 2012 21:22:39 GMT 10
And in Australia, you are called an ARSEHOLE, not an American ASSHOLE. Please get away from the HIllsong crap! I have a love for American culture and language.
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Post by jody on Oct 16, 2012 21:30:51 GMT 10
OMG Matt, if that is true, you need to pray for help.
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Post by matt on Oct 16, 2012 21:44:28 GMT 10
OMG Matt, if that is true, you need to pray for help. The United States I believe is a worthy nation to look up to, it is one of the greatest democracies on earth with freedom of thought and innovation. A lot of the things we use and take for granted these days is due to the United States, which we're forever indebted to.
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Post by slartibartfast on Oct 16, 2012 22:56:39 GMT 10
What, like Coke?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 8:10:40 GMT 10
And installing despot dictators as heads of states. And warmongering. And using drugs to cheat in cycle races. And GREED!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 9:30:03 GMT 10
As I've mentioned before, the mycin type antibiotics are highly toxic. I can understand why he wouldn't take the bleomycin.
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