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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 13, 2014 21:39:19 GMT 10
redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/RED-C-press-release-Religion-and-Atheism-25-7-12.pdfAccording to the latest global poll released by WIN-Gallup International, a world-wide network of leading opinion pollsters, Ireland rates as one of the least religious countries. 59% of the world said that they think of themselves as religious person, 23% think of themselves as not religious whereas 13% think of themselves as convinced atheists. The WIN-Gallup International ‘Religion and Atheism Index’ which measures global self-perceptions on beliefs is based on interviews with more than 50,000 men and women selected from 57 countries across the globe in five continents. The survey also provides trend data for shifts in attitudes since 2005. A world-wide poll conducted by WIN-Gallup International, a network of the world’s top most independent pollsters, asked exactly the same question in 57 countries across the globe: RELIGIOSITY IS HIGHER AMONG THE POOR: People in bottom income groups are 17% more religious than those in top income groups. It is interesting that Religiosity declines as worldly prosperity of individuals rises. While the results for nations as a whole are mixed, individual respondents within a country show a revealing pattern. If citizens of each of the 57 countries are grouped into five groups, from the relatively poor to relatively rich in their own countries, the richer you get, the less religious you define yourself. TOP 10 ATHEIST POPULATIONS: The top ten Atheist populations are the following: China 47% Japan 31% Czech Republic 30% France 29% Korea, Rep (South) 15% Germany 15% Netherlands 14% Austria 10% Iceland 10% Australia 10% Ireland 10% (11 countries because of 4 tying in at 10%) Globally, those claiming to be religious, drops by 9%, while atheism rises by 3%. Atheism has risen globally from 4% to 7% from 2005 to 2012. So you know where you can stick your religiously directed poll at atheism declining to 1.8%. I prefer an independent global study to one coming from the Center (sic) for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass. But hey, believe your biased clap-trap if you wish.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 15, 2014 1:48:00 GMT 10
Results of 2 different studies. Wikipedia explains this discrepancy: "According to one study, the number of atheists is on the rise across the world, with religiosity generally declining.[2] However, another global study has concluded that atheism is on a global decline due to continuing steady increases in religiosity in China, which harbors the majority of atheists and non-religious people, and Eastern Europe which has had significant changes in religiosity after the fall of communism.[3]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism(Your study also assumes that the non-religious, are atheists. --It is possible to believe God exists, and not attend church.) It's not wrong, simply because it's source is religious, slarti; that has more to do with your personal prejudice and dismissive attitude, than actual truth.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 15, 2014 8:49:19 GMT 10
Your study is biased, Veritas, mine is independent.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 0:05:25 GMT 10
That's a lie. Every opinion is biased. Everyone enters a study with baggage.
If you don't think so, then you have no idea how science actually works.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 16, 2014 7:45:55 GMT 10
When you ask a certain number of people a question, even if the question is loaded (which they weren't in this study), the answers are truthful.
In "my" study the SAME questions were asked years apart.
It established a trend over time.
That is how it works. I trust this has been of assistance to your as per usual incorrect assumptions.
I'm sorry that "my" study blew yours out of the water.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 8:12:38 GMT 10
FFS Slarti, If that's what you want to think, fine. Just stop subjecting us to your unwarranted trouser size envy. The size of your argument is anti-climatic.
I've said all that needs to be expressed, if you won't read it: Horse to water...
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 16, 2014 8:18:23 GMT 10
FFS Slarti, If that's what you want to think, fine. Just stop subjecting us to your unwarranted trouser size envy. The size of your argument is anti-climatic. I've said all that needs to be expressed, if you won't read it: Horse to water... Don't blame me for your study's inadequacies. They have nothing to do with the size of anything I have, although as Earl has already proved, the atheist's brain is much larger than the average believer. As for trouser size, I take an 87 and I fail to see what the size of my trousers has to do with anything apart from being relative to my height and girth. Why would I be envious if someone has a greater trouser size? It would just meant that most likely, they need to go on a diet.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 8:42:27 GMT 10
Read the Wiki link I left. They accept their findings, and explain the discrepancy.
I'm through with your troll bait, on this topic.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 11:03:16 GMT 10
If atheism is purported to be the default position, then it's implied the world is progressing, and has progressed, toward theism all along. (That is, unless you want to concede your prior argument that we all start out as atheists.) P.S. I scored 78% on my Mensa test, my wife scored a 96%. We are both theists. --So much for your theory. Awwww... Pouvre EG, c'est dommage.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 12:34:40 GMT 10
The Real Reason Atheists Have Higher IQs Is atheism a sign of intelligence? Published on May 4, 2010 by Nigel Barber, Ph.D. in The Human Beast Recent posts have proposed convoluted theories accounting for why atheists score higher on IQ tests than religious people. There is a much simpler explanation. Like a lot of correlations of this type, it is probably less exciting than it appears. Atheists are probably more intelligent than religious people because they benefit from many social conditions that happen to be correlated with loss of religious belief. When one looks at this phenomenon from the point of view of comparisons between countries, it is not hard to figure out possible reasons that more intelligent countries have more atheists as Richard Lynn (2009) reported. Here are some. Highly religious countries (Barber, 2012): Are poorer. They are less urbanized. Have lower levels of education. They have less exposure to electronic media that increase intelligence (Barber, 2006). Experience a heavier load of infectious diseases that impair brain function. Suffer more from low birth weights. Have worse child nutrition. Do a poor job of controlling environmental pollutants such as lead that reduce IQ. Given that each of these factors are recognized causes of low IQ scores (Barber 2005), there is little mystery about why religious countries score lower on IQ tests. Of course, the same phenomena are relevant to comparisons within a country, although within-country differences in these factors are generally smaller. Even so, the wealthier individuals in a country experience life differently than the poorer ones, developing higher IQ scores and greater religious skepticism. As to the more exciting explanations, I doubt that religion causes stupidity if only because some of the most brilliant people of history, such as Isaac Newton, were highly religious like most of their contemporaries. Whether intelligence causes people to reject religious belief is more complex. It is certainly plausible that highly intelligent people would have a problem accepting some of the more improbable beliefs required by their church Moreover, modern science offers explanations for phenomena that were previously explained in terms of religion and intelligent people may prefer the scientific account.. In short, discussing correlations between IQ and religiosity without a grasp of the relevant underlying factors is something of a parlor game. It recalls the long and tiresome debate about the correlation between IQ scores and skin color that got a lot of people very excited but proved a scientific dead end. The really interesting question buried in all of this is why atheism is sparked uniquely by contemporary conditions in developed countries. I will return to this in a future post. www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201005/the-real-reason-atheists-have-higher-iqsEmphasis added.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 16, 2014 12:39:58 GMT 10
"In addition, The Independent pointed out that the researchers used a narrow definition of intelligence. In the paper, intelligence is defined as “the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience." This excludes other forms of intelligence, like creative and emotional intelligence." www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/religious-people-less-intelligent-atheists_n_3750096.html
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 17, 2014 3:19:31 GMT 10
Which study was that?
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 17, 2014 6:30:53 GMT 10
Don't worry, you wouldn't get it!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 17, 2014 7:13:06 GMT 10
You're right, I don't get it. I prefer accredited case studies, over popularized pseudo-academia; that appeals only to those who need their fragile atheistic egos stroked. To each their own. EG From our prior conversations, I recall we are only talking a difference of 3% which doesn't make a heap of difference on the Bell Curve. If you really so insecure that need that to affirm your convictions, you are welcome to it.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 17, 2014 23:14:10 GMT 10
You're right, I don't get it. I prefer accredited case studies, over popularized pseudo-academia; that appeals only to those who need their fragile atheistic egos stroked. To each their own. I prefer an independent global study to your alleged accredited case study coming from the Center (sic) for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass. After all, this is your topic as you have owned up to supplying the details of this ridiculous study to your imbecile disciple Skippy. Yup, I was right. You don't get it.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 22, 2014 5:32:38 GMT 10
As I said, just because a study comes from a religious source; doesn't mean it's invalid. But thanks for your ignorant sectarian dismissal, anyway.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 22, 2014 7:18:47 GMT 10
As I said, just because a study comes from a religious source; doesn't mean it's invalid. But thanks for your ignorant sectarian dismissal, anyway. No, it clearly means it's biased. But hey, don't let truth get in the way. You haven't in the past and I don't expect you to now.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 22, 2014 12:56:31 GMT 10
You say that as though you have some concept of it.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 22, 2014 13:39:39 GMT 10
More than you ever would. My life isn't governed by a book written by man.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 22, 2014 14:06:32 GMT 10
Yes, it is.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 22, 2014 21:07:46 GMT 10
Never read it.
Never had to.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 23, 2014 0:25:11 GMT 10
So then how did you hear about Darwin's theory? Have you actually seen it happen, or did someone have to tell you?
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 23, 2014 6:30:09 GMT 10
Logic tells you evolution is much more likely than the babble in the bible to explain how we got here.
You should try it one day.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 24, 2014 5:18:10 GMT 10
Your biased opinions on the Bible aside; logic tells me:
1.)Life can't come from non-life. 2.)Intelligence can't come from non-intelligence. 3.)Order can't come from Chaos. 4.)The universe is falling into a state of Entropy; not evolving. 5.)And every change in nature is produced by a cause.
Brush up on your science, slarti.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 24, 2014 18:15:42 GMT 10
1.)Life can't come from non-life. - So the Bible is totally made up then, I agree! 2.)Intelligence can't come from non-intelligence. - Not a subject I would use if I were you. 3.)Order can't come from Chaos. - Of course it can. 4.)The universe is falling into a state of Entropy; not evolving. - says who? 5.)And every change in nature is produced by a cause. - Yes, and that cause is nature itself EVOLVING!
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