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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 0:38:47 GMT 10
I do get depressed, I have so many problems in my life, some times I plead with the Lord to provide answers and to heal me. While my physical problems have not been healed, I do believe my Spirit has been.
I accept that the Lord is not to blame, and I accept human beings are flawed since the sin of Adam.
Jesus can heal, and I know in His own time he will heal me. I just need to strengthen my faith before it will happen.
Healing only comes to those who know and sincerely believe that it will happen, and who have a perfect faith. I must work toward this.
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Post by fat on May 7, 2013 1:02:55 GMT 10
I cannot agree with your 2nd last sentence Mr Saviour.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 7, 2013 9:36:35 GMT 10
I with fat on this one, Matty. Paul was a faithful servant of Jesus, also; but he wasn't healed of his "Thorn in the flesh".
Sometimes God has a purpose for the trials and tribulations we endure.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 11:46:49 GMT 10
I do get depressed, I have so many problems in my life, some times I plead with the Lord to provide answers and to heal me. While my physical problems have not been healed, I do believe my Spirit has been. I accept that the Lord is not to blame, and I accept human beings are flawed since the sin of Adam. Jesus can heal, and I know in His own time he will heal me. I just need to strengthen my faith before it will happen. Healing only comes to those who know and sincerely believe that it will happen, and who have a perfect faith. I must work toward this. Matt - my dear friend. In all sincerity and with nothing but concern and friendship I urge you now to seek urgent medical help. If you show this post to your Doctor and discuss this post with him, he can get you the help you need. I am not fooling around and I have nothing but concern for you right now. Please go talk it over with your doctor.
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Post by jody on May 7, 2013 12:43:24 GMT 10
Agre with fat too matt..... Sometimes there is a reason we are afflicted with what may seem a hardship in life. Pray ? Absolutely but pray that you simply can maintain the strength to live well with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 21:04:57 GMT 10
I am very worried about Matt.
I am very concerned - that last post of his shows he is at or near a break.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 9, 2013 10:53:30 GMT 10
I'm very concerned for you also, Buzz. You have a lot of unresolved anger issues with Church and religion. I'm not saying that they may not be unjustified, but I think you might be a bit misguided, not just misunderstood.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 11:27:18 GMT 10
Don't worry about me.
Church and religion are the biggest liars of history and nothing but an exercise in manipulation and mind control.
The Christian religion is responsible for countless atrocities and is nothing more than modified Zoroastrianism with not a shred of reality attached or involved.
Yes I am angry, but it is righteous anger against a tyrant and its cohorts including you, who manipulate and lie and are of no value or substance, and who prey on the weak minded.
Christianity is only for the mentally ill. Only someone barking mad would believe the shit you believe - because it is nothing but absolute lies from start to finish.
I am concerned for Matt, because going by his post, he is in trouble, and I actually care about him and I am quite fond of him despite his obvious delusions of religiosity.
All anyone needs to do is read his posts to see he is in trouble and close to a break.
If you read Avesta eschatology compared with the books of Daniel and Revelations; (1908). Author: Mills, Lawrence Heyworth, there is no doubt Christianity is nothing but a monumental lie.
But you can't be told. Talking to you is a monumental waste of time.
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Post by jody on May 9, 2013 17:42:17 GMT 10
I am not mentally ill Buzz.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 21:23:26 GMT 10
don't you ever doubt it?
have you seen those religious crackpots in the USA?
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Post by jody on May 9, 2013 21:25:51 GMT 10
Do I doubt my sanity? No, never.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 21:33:09 GMT 10
no no thats not what I meant
don't you ever doubt the stuff the religions teach?
why has nobody ever raised the dead in 2,000 years?
what about all the evidence against religion?
what about all the sexual abuse and other abuses?
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Post by jody on May 9, 2013 21:51:22 GMT 10
not at all Buzz. God is as real as you and me. I have seen too much in life to believe otherwise. Jesus is the only one who was required to rise form the dead. The evidence against is false. Man commits those atrocities, not God.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 21:54:48 GMT 10
well with all due respect to you jody if it gives you comfort then good for you.
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Post by jody on May 9, 2013 22:24:28 GMT 10
It gives me piece of mind and eternity.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 22:31:13 GMT 10
well good for you - it doesn't work for me at all, but if it makes you happy then great
what I wrote above is for Dib anyway - I have no wish to offend you
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Post by jody on May 9, 2013 22:32:58 GMT 10
Not offended at all Buzz. I am all for everyone having their opinion and believing whatever they want.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2013 9:14:51 GMT 10
don't you ever doubt it? have you seen those religious crackpots in the USA? Crackpots in the USA are fringe. I could make a similar conclusion that all atheists are "Cosplay Comicon attendees who dwell in their parent's basement", but that'd be kind of unfair, wouldn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 10:38:19 GMT 10
In the USA there are 120 million cranks who think the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that all living organisms were created and not evolved, and that some drunk put every animal in a boat for fourty days and nights because of some rain.
In other words - they are Crackpots like you.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2013 10:50:50 GMT 10
Problem is, that pretty much every culture in the world has a similar flood story. Coincidence?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 11:06:28 GMT 10
There is a collective Unconscious and the same myths and legends are everywhere.
And the flood crap - and your point is?
We know now other than the fact that the Black Sea flooded, there was no global flood.
On the top of the Matterhorn in Switzerland, is actually Africa, then Sea bed, and then European rock.
So near the top of that mountain you will find sea shells.
The Noah's flood story is complete bunkum - we know that now - and only a handful of Crackpots - like you - believe that fairytale.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 20:44:42 GMT 10
Argumentum ad populum
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."
This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, and bandwagon fallacy, and in Latin as argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number"), and consensus gentium ("agreement of the clans"). It is also the basis of a number of social phenomena, including communal reinforcement and the bandwagon effect. The Chinese proverb "three men make a tiger" concerns the same idea.
So when everyone beieved the Earth was flat - it was flat because everyone believed it.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2013 22:04:29 GMT 10
No. I am not creating a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it. They didn't just believe it, I am proposing that they WITNESSED it!
Eyewitnesses that say they saw something is not an argumentum ad populum.
If you want to honestly believe this, then you must believe that any eyewitnesses accounts regardless of what they are witnessing are argumentum ad populum, too.
This includes your UFO encounter.
I don't think this is true. So, you are guilty of double standards in the application of criticism --You are nothing more than a typical pseudoskeptic!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 22:13:53 GMT 10
horseshit
all you ever do is spout horseshit
its not fucking true you fucking idiot
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2013 22:16:18 GMT 10
Then I challenge you to test it out. Go out and rob a bank without covering up your face. If you get caught and someone points you out of a line up. Just shout "Argumentum Ad Populum." That should be enough for the police and the courts to clear you of all charges because the eyewitness accounts of you robbing them is not evidence, it's "Argumentum Ad Populum!"
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