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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:23:57 GMT 10
I think richo has found a new word after seeing it in one of Pim's posts. Nuance. Tell me Salem, have you ever wondered why people like Pim laugh so hard at you ? Because, really, the way your responding to what I have written in this thread, is proving nothing other than that your terribly out of your depth here. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you ? So the question of who is a Jew, especially when there is both a Jewish religion and a Jewish race, is not a nuanced argument then ? Oh, one of the large differences between you and me is that I actually understand nuance. Far be it for me to point out the underlying racism in the above statement, but I've never proclaimed to be an Atheist. I have acknowledged my agnostic leanings, but so what ? As I keep saying Judasim is both race and religion, and frankly you cant separate the cultural from the religious. You can't get a Bar-Mitzvah without being in a Schule. As do 99% of Jews, so, whats your point Salem ? Apart from displaying your sheer ignorance ? I've never changed my Religion, Salem, I've always considered my self as Jewish, no ,matter how secular my lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:25:48 GMT 10
Who says I have given up on my heritage Richo? I simply express my faith in God the correct way. It doesn't change who I am ethnically or in terms of my ancestry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:31:04 GMT 10
Bris is circumcision? It isn't only Jews who do that Richo. Well the Moslems have a Bris also, but they do tend to wait until the child is older than a week old, besides which, it was Matt that was excitedly telling the board, that he was going to give his lad a traditional 'jewish' Bris. (to please his parents, of course) Personally that's an act I would consider as hypocritical, given Matts professed belief in Christianity. Trying to walk both sides of the street, at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:33:41 GMT 10
Who says I have given up on my heritage Richo? I simply express my faith in God the correct way. It doesn't change who I am ethnically or in terms of my ancestry. Our Heritage is Torah, Matt, you need to sit in a quite place on day and contemplate that.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 22:33:57 GMT 10
Lol Freddy, have YOU ever wondered why the entire board laughs at you? You are full of shit. You continually change your story. You're an Atheist. No, you're (note the 're) a Jew. No, now you're Agnostic. Now you're a Jew again. You are more confused than Matt, on a bad day. Many Jewish people are not semites. You don't need to be a semite to be Jewish. You are maliciously muddying the issue because you are addicted to arguing, even when you make a mockery of yourself. Race has nothing to do with it. A Jew can be Jewish from birth, or from later adopting that religion themself. Race is irrelevant. A person can change their religion without changing their race. I really feel for you because you are making such a fool of yourself, its painful to watch.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 22:35:18 GMT 10
Well the Moslems have a Bris also The MUSLIMS circumcise.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 25, 2013 22:40:40 GMT 10
Well the Moslems have a Bris also The MUSLIMS circumcise. What do you think a bris is? bris (brs) n. pl. bris·es Judaism The rite or ceremony of male circumcision, usually performed on the eighth day of life. [Ashkenazi Hebrew brs, from Hebrew brît (mlâ), covenant (of circumcision).]
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 22:48:38 GMT 10
A Bris is a JEWISH CEREMONY. Muslims don't hold a Bris. That was my point. Its all in the DETAIL if you really read and comprehend the posts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 22:53:12 GMT 10
Well the Moslems have a Bris also The MUSLIMS circumcise. Which they call a Brit. Fark you are thick.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 25, 2013 22:54:21 GMT 10
You said the MUSLIMS CIRCUMSIZE. (Your capitals not mine)
Well guess what, honey - a Bris is a CIRCUMCISION! (My capitals).
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 22:56:27 GMT 10
But....they.....DON'T......CALL........IT.......A................BRIS, do they? Talk about fcken THICK!!! Comprehension is not your strong point. Nor is anything else. I KNOW a Bris is a circumcision ritual. My POINT, is that MUSLIMS don't call it 'Bris'. Muslims don't perform a Bris. They perform a Khitan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:02:05 GMT 10
Lol Freddy, have YOU ever wondered why the entire board laughs at you? Well, they don't actually. You on the otherhand.... Well you only need to read a few of the responses you get to anything you post here. Aside from the fact that you have descended to incoherent ranting as the debate has gotten away from you. You really aren't able to handle nuance, are you ? And, that's before we address the fact that as your ranting gets more shrill, your underlying racism starts to bubble up just that little bit more.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 23:06:15 GMT 10
Er, yes they do. Read the responses from others that you get. Even from neutral people like Jody. You're a joke.
I'm not the one making racist claims. You are in your rants which prove you descend to the gutter once you realise you've lost control of the discussion and are making a fool of yourself. Religion has NOTHING to do with race. Only a racist and a liar such as yourself thinks it does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:06:42 GMT 10
But....they.....DON'T......CALL........IT.......A................BRIS, do they? Talk about fcken THICK!!! Comprehension is not your strong point. Nor is anything else. I KNOW a Bris is a circumcision ritual. My POINT, is that MUSLIMS don't call it 'Bris'. No, the Arab word is Brit. Funny how words between the Semitic languages can be quite similar, eh ? I'm sure Muslims from southern Asia would use differing words than Muslims from Arabia, so whats your point ?
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Post by jody on Apr 25, 2013 23:08:29 GMT 10
What is it called when many millions of Christians have it done....a circumcision.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 23:16:43 GMT 10
But....they.....DON'T......CALL........IT.......A................BRIS, do they? Talk about fcken THICK!!! Comprehension is not your strong point. Nor is anything else. I KNOW a Bris is a circumcision ritual. My POINT, is that MUSLIMS don't call it 'Bris'. No, the Arab word is Brit. Funny how words between the Semitic languages can be quite similar, eh ? I'm sure Muslims from southern Asia would use differing words than Muslims from Arabia, so whats your point ? Khitan (circumcision)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaKhitān (Arabic: ختان) or Khatna (Arabic: ختنة) is the term for male circumcision carried out as an Islamic rite. It is considered by some as a sign of belonging or introduction to the wider Islamic community.[1] It is also referred to by the term Taharah, "purity".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:20:13 GMT 10
Er, yes they do. Read the responses from others that you get. Even from neutral people like Jody. You're a joke. Oh FFS do you ever read the threads here ? As with people like Garfy, you constantly make idiotic statement that you proclaim as truth, no matter how divorced from reality your "truth" is. Such as your habit of re-writing history to fit in with your narrow-minded world view. Such is your inability to deal with reality Wow, you are really getting yourself into a tiz tonite, aren't you Sweety ? Sorry Darls, But Torah has everything to do with the Jewish race. I don't know, but does saying that its similar, in concept, to the connection that The Dreaming has to aboriginal culture make it any easier for your simple mind to absorb ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:23:24 GMT 10
There are many Jewish people who are Christians, you can even ask at Jews for Jesus if you want.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 23:23:49 GMT 10
PMSL, oh, coming from you, thats Rich!! You are constantly lying, verballing people and are the one re-writing history.
Do you even know the difference between 'culture' and 'religion'? They are NOT the same thing. The Dreaming is NOT a 'religion'. A semite can be Jewish, but not all Jews are semites. Understand now? FMD!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:39:04 GMT 10
PMSL, oh, coming from you, thats Rich!! You are constantly lying, verballing people and are the one re-writing history. Like Paul Kelly being a Card carrying Lefty ? Ah, so a Bar Mitzvah is not a religious celebration ? . Colonial Patronizing attitude at its best. "Dreaming" is also often used to refer to an individual's or group's set of beliefs or spirituality. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime So, what are they, Martians ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:40:43 GMT 10
There are many Jewish people who are Christians, you can even ask at Jews for Jesus if you want. They can pretend what they want, they are still Jews. Didn't the holocaust teach you anything ?
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 23:45:53 GMT 10
PMSL, oh, coming from you, thats Rich!! You are constantly lying, verballing people and are the one re-writing history. Like Paul Kelly being a Card carrying Lefty ? Like being a member of the Australian Labor Party isn't being a Lefty? pmsl Ah, so a Bar Mitzvah is not a religious celebration ? I never said it wasn't. I said nothing about Bar or Bat Mitzvahs. Again, you are verballing me.. Colonial Patronizing attitude at its best. "Dreaming" is also often used to refer to an individual's or group's set of beliefs or spirituality. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamtimeNot according to an Indigenous man I know. So, what are they, Martians ? You can't be serious.! I just.....can't with you. smh There are anglosaxon Jews, African American Jews, etc. The religion is not reserved for semites ONLY. Any race can be of the Jewish faith.
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Post by Salem on Apr 25, 2013 23:47:54 GMT 10
There are many Jewish people who are Christians, you can even ask at Jews for Jesus if you want. They can pretend what they want, they are still Jews. Didn't the holocaust teach you anything ? A Jewish person is one who professes to PRACTICE the Jewish religion. NOT be a semite. The two are different things. If a semite decides they are Christian, or Muslim or Hindi or even a Jehovah's Witness and is baptised so, then they are a semite, but not Jewish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:53:40 GMT 10
You can't be serious.! I just.....can't with you. smh There are anglosaxon Jews, African American Jews, etc. The religion is not reserved for semites ONLY. Any race can be of the Jewish faith. 'Never argue with an idiot, they only drag you down to their level' - Mark Twain
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 23:56:00 GMT 10
Richo, I can't just change what I believe.
I believe Jesus is the Lord and Saviour, it has nothing to do with my heritage, it is a faith.
Salem makes a good point about Aboriginal Australians, there are lots of Aboriginals who identify as Christian, Catholic and even Muslim (in Anthony Mundine's case). That doesn't change the fact they're Aboriginal.
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