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Post by Lord Stockton on Apr 13, 2013 20:52:03 GMT 10
Howard and his government turning a blind eye on the AWB was crime, and the answer why a blind eye was turned on the biggest corrupt deal of all times, the explanation given
Or one could type
Rudd and his government or Gillard & her government turning a blind eye on the RBA & their payment of bribes to use Australian currency technology was crime, and the answer why a blind eye was turned on the biggest corrupt deal of all times,
"we didn't know"
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 13, 2013 23:03:38 GMT 10
Howard and his government turning a blind eye on the AWB was crime, and the answer why a blind eye was turned on the biggest corrupt deal of all times, the explanation given Or one could type Rudd and his government or Gillard & her government turning a blind eye on the RBA & their payment of bribes to use Australian currency technology was crime, and the answer why a blind eye was turned on the biggest corrupt deal of all times, "we didn't know" Can someone translate that gibberish into English please?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 23:10:56 GMT 10
I hear that Little Johnny is off to London to attend the funeral for the "Wicked Witch" who just karked it.
No doubt he'll run into that fat pig Gerry Brownlie who is a cabinet minister in the NZ Government.
Someone needs to put a bullet straight through Brownlie's forehead....he's an A-class tosser & wanker!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 5:47:45 GMT 10
To be sure a percentage of politicans are criminal scumbags and deserve dispariging commnetry.. but shootin' is a bit harsh.....how about a good kick in the nuts..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 9:36:42 GMT 10
Name the achievements that he will be remembered for. Obviously the gun control laws. Also another thing he will be remembered for is this - he was prepared to put his govt on the line over the GST. He fought an election on it - and won. That's something the deceitful Gillard would do well to remember. And of course he stopped the armada of asylum boats. Something Gillard could never do. It was his best achievement and the electorate obviously agreed.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 14, 2013 10:40:49 GMT 10
One - the gun control would not have happened without that lunatic.
Bring in a tax is an achievement? FFS!
Stopping boats, yeah, right. Not an achievement - children overboard lie.
Name an ACHIEVEMENT!
Something you can tell your kids, "Howard made/did/started that".
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Post by pim on Apr 14, 2013 12:33:40 GMT 10
Speaking of Richard Butler ... He was an avowed republican yet took up the role of Governor of Tasmania? A real person of integrity! ;D Hmmm, I think that's a case of you looking for nits to pick, Earl. I mean, you criticise Richard Butler for accepting the governorship of Tas. Now don't get me wrong, there's no shortage of things to criticise Butler about - such as the monstrous payout he received when his governorship was cut short but that's just part of a broader malaise of people in high positions in government or business landing on a very large and soft cushion of money when they jump through the "exit" window. But if you take the issue of accepting a state governorship as a stand alone issue, I don't have a problem with it. Any more than I had a problem with Bill Hayden becoming G-G under the Hawke Government. And he was a declared republican too. It's one thing to have an intellectual position that, in principle, it mightn't be a bad thing if Australia cut the last colonial tie. It's quite another thing to be an activist in that cause. I wasn't aware that part of the job description for vice regal office in Australia was that you had to demonstrate that you were an active member of Australians for a Constitutional Monarchy. You and I might form a view that Butler was a good governor or a bad one. That isn't the issue here. Nobody knew how well or badly he'd perform when he accepted the job. But the fact that he was offered the job and also that he accepted it is neither here nor there, in my view. The fact is that Australia is a constutional monarchy and that people in vice-regal positions perform a constitutional role. I can't see that situation changing any time soon and what's more I don't see it changing even when the QE2 shuffles off this mortal coil and goes to her richly deserved Eternal Reward. Charles will succeed as King - perhaps as Charles III (although I'll lay odds he won't take that name. My money is on George VII) - and Camilla will make sure he doesn't make a complete dill of himself. He'll do OK. And the current constitutional arrangements in this country will remain in place. I very much doubt that this country will decide to become a republic because it wakes up one morning and decides it's a good idea. It'll happen when/if the Windsors implode as a royal dynasty and we mere Antipodeans will have no say in that because it will be all about Britain. So Labor Governments, both state and federal, will continue to appoint people to vice-regal positions who might have an intellectual position that an australian republic mightn't be a bad idea. It's a bit like the Anglican church ordaining an agnostic minister of religion. Happens all the time, so I'm told ...
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Post by pim on Apr 14, 2013 13:10:54 GMT 10
All valid points Earl, and they should have been borne in mind by the Tas Labor/Green government that appointed him. I forget the name of the Tas premier back then. He died of smoking-related stuff as I seem to recall.
In fact I'd say that the quite valid factors that you mention make the issue of his "declared republicanism" pale into insignificance.
I stand by what I said earlier that in my view there is no problem with an elected state or federal government appointing someone with republican views to vice-regal office.
As for the other stuff, I agree that there would have been a concern there and it should have concerned both the then Tas State Premier and Buckingham Palace. Richard Butler was internationally known and the Queen, who signs off on all vice regal appointments, has two rights as monarch:
1. The right to know everything - so she gets to read all the Cabinet documents
2. The right to warn.
So if one of her Governments whether in Britain or elsewhere looks as if they're about to do something she thinks might be ill-advised, she does have the right to tell the PM or Premier "I don't think that's a good idea!" Equally the PM/Premier has the perfect right to ignore that advice and to advise her that they intend to proceed as planned.
So did Buckingham Palace warn the Tas State Premier that there might be a problem with richard butler? We'll never know! And if that advice was ignored, why was it ignored? We'll never know!
It isn't just about Richard Butler!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:28:37 GMT 10
One - the gun control would not have happened without that lunatic. Bring in a tax is an achievement? FFS! Stopping boats, yeah, right. Not an achievement - children overboard lie. Name an ACHIEVEMENT! Something you can tell your kids, "Howard made/did/started that". < sigh > ... you really are an idiot Farti. Regarding gun control ... how many "lunatics" would have followed the example of that first lunatic I wonder? Of course you think this was a "one off." < sigh > What are you waffling on about? Who says a tax is an achievement? We are talking about integrity here, something you and Gillard lovers wouldn't understand. Howard did not bring in the GST like Gillard brought in the carbon tax. No, Howard took this tax to the people. He fought an election on it. And won!! Something Gillard will never do. Stopping the boats WAS an achievement ... something this wretched Labor govt cannot emulate. And what's more, he had virtually the whole country behind him on it. Even Labor voters who deserted the Labor Party en masse such was their endorsement of his asylum seeker policies. And just remember this ... Liberal govts spend a great deal of time getting the economy back into the black after it's been trashed by Labor's profligate spending. If they hadn't, Labor wouldn't have had a little matter of $90 billion to ward off a possible recession. Howard left behind a healthy banking sector, zero govt debt, a budget surplus, the Future Fund, the Higher Education Endowment Fund and the Communication Fund ... a massive financial buffer that was squandered by Labor. Now that's the last I am going to say on this matter Farti. You are becoming nothing more than a broken record and I've wasted enough time on you already.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 15, 2013 21:51:10 GMT 10
Do you really think gun control would have happened without Martin Bryant?
And if you think a tax is an achievement then you need serious help.
PS. Liberals sell assets and do nothing.
You still have not named one thing that your hero JH did that you can tell your grandkids about.
Stopping the boats. Not a policy!
You forgot that he wasted billions on an illegal war. But to you, I guess that would be an achievement.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 27, 2013 12:44:18 GMT 10
So you can't tell us one achievement that JH did that you can tell your Grandkids about.
Well, we finally agree on something.
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