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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 19:14:01 GMT 10
I don't know that it was a journalist who threw rotten tomatoes, or any type of tomato, or for that matter any other type of berry (apparently tomatoes are a type of berry), fruit or vegetable at Gough, whether at a press conference or at a TV interview. Mind you, Gough once threw the contents of a glass of water over Paul Hasluck during an exchange in Parliament so any journo stupid enough to throw cabbages or rotten tomatoes at Gough might have experienced a SPLAT! as Gough threw the stuff right back at him. he was assaulted with food being thrown at him... I was sooooooooooo upset seeing it as a 14 yr old on the news, I wrote to the West Australia newspaper (using a red pen mind you) only to have my entry refused into the opinion column because I was a 14 yr old dummy! ...
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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 19:23:31 GMT 10
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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 19:27:23 GMT 10
I should remember... my grandmother was WA labor Premier John Tonkin's, sister in law and John Tonkin's brother Stan was my grade 5 primary school teacher!...
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Post by garfield on Mar 25, 2013 19:38:24 GMT 10
This is why gillards public outings are very carefully stage managed now, even though shes destroyed whole industries and killed hundreds of boat people its still not a good look having elected officials attacked in the street.
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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 19:52:12 GMT 10
This is why gillards public outings are very carefully stage managed now, even though shes destroyed whole industries and killed hundreds of boat people its still not a good look having elected officials attacked in the street. what some people here may miss is I have a very, very long memory. * *Waves to PIM. what I see them doing is trying to convince the public Gillard is being singled out because she is a woman and trying to overshadow the fact she lied and that raises people's hackles. The whole Alan Jones misplaced comments were REPEATEDLY retold in the media by the LABOR politicians and none of the Libs ever brought it up... not one. They seem to be trying to get public sympathy for Julia and it only works on people who see half the story... Ones who cannot watch and see every word uttered. I absolutely abhor violence on our country leaders.... and the lies too. I don't know a PM who hasn't been victimized by that yet. If and when Tony leads the country... he'll get his share!
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Post by Salem on Mar 25, 2013 22:25:50 GMT 10
She is not attacked more... if anything she is attacked MUCH less than her male erstwhile contemporaries. Exactly! I'm so sick of my fellow gender being misandrists and expecting a woman to get the kid gloves treatment, JUST because she wears a skirt. There is no PM who got more abuse than Howard. Gillard has gotten it really easy considering. Such sexism. ANY criticism Gillard gets has to be "because she is a woman". Change the tune. Being a woman doesn't make you a special snowflake and give you immunity from criticism. She has shown she can dish it out as well, and on a few occasions, better, than any male. So she sure as bloody hell ought to be able to take it.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 25, 2013 22:31:13 GMT 10
Howard DID NOT cop anywhere near the abuse Gillard cops. And he started an illegal war and is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis!
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Post by Salem on Mar 25, 2013 23:03:57 GMT 10
You really believe Rudd is history Pim? I think that is purely wishful thinking from you and you are too stubborn to admit you're wrong. Face it. I saw the knifing of Rudd before the Howard govt lost in 2007. Remember? I said Gillard is sneaky and ruthless, her being Deputy PM is one step closer for her to the big goal of unseating Rudd and that she has her knives out. Remember that everyone? My god, she basically admitted on Australian Story before her elevation as Deputy Opposition Leader that she detested Rudd and opposed everything he stood for. I said Rudd and Swan would be gone half-way through the term (I was wrong on Swan - still scratching my head trying to figure out how that buffoon has survived for so long) that Gillard would be impatient for the top job that she had plotted and planned for, for so long and would knife Rudd before the first term was out. What I said came true.
I also said Rudd's knifing was a major mistake for Labor, and that the public would never get over it.
I was right.
Both times you were wrong, so what makes you so sure that Kevin won't re-take the Leadership after September 14? We shall see, but I believe he will. If he is the last standing man in Qld as it looks like may happen, that is enormous political capital and authority and credibility. Do you really think caucus will go back to Gillard after September 14? Really? They could look for a third person I suppose, but would that third person capture the hearts of the public the way Rudd has and continues to? Will the third person have the charisma?
I really think you are wrong on this, too. But we shall see in the very near future won't we.
I think you Rudd haters and not us Rudd luvvies, need to get over it and accept that the public want Rudd and there is nothing much to your chagrin, that you can do about it. You and the fellow Gillard-bots in caucus need to accept it, and to accept the will of the people and get over it.
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Post by Salem on Mar 25, 2013 23:07:14 GMT 10
only to have my entry refused into the opinion column because I was a 14 yr old dummy! Thats sad! I suppose in those days 'children should be seen and not heard from' was the general consensus.
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Post by Salem on Mar 25, 2013 23:09:03 GMT 10
Howard DID NOT cop anywhere near the abuse Gillard cops. And he started an illegal war and is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis! Thats bullshit! He copped far more abuse than Gillard has and could have. And war is war. There is no such thing as a 'legal war'.
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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 23:18:09 GMT 10
Howard DID NOT cop anywhere near the abuse Gillard cops. And he started an illegal war and is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis! he can only go to war if the Queen sanctions it... our military belongs to the Queen. It was a united nations sanctioned war.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 26, 2013 6:25:19 GMT 10
Howard DID NOT cop anywhere near the abuse Gillard cops. And he started an illegal war and is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis! Thats bullshit! He copped far more abuse than Gillard has and could have. And war is war. There is no such thing as a 'legal war'. Not in the media! Yes, there are legal wars and illegal wars. And Iraq was invaded on a lie!
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 26, 2013 6:26:59 GMT 10
Howard DID NOT cop anywhere near the abuse Gillard cops. And he started an illegal war and is directly responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis! he can only go to war if the Queen sanctions it... our military belongs to the Queen. It was a united nations sanctioned war. Another lie: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraqThe United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal. Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish." He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
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Post by caskur on Mar 26, 2013 6:35:08 GMT 10
It was sanctioned by the UN...
I couldn't care what that article says!
try again!
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Post by caskur on Mar 26, 2013 6:53:14 GMT 10
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Post by fat on Mar 26, 2013 7:01:02 GMT 10
One is Iraq - Illegal The other Afghanistan - legal
IMHO both wrong wrong wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 8:31:06 GMT 10
The NBN is the biggest threat to the Media, that's perhaps the biggest reason that Murdoch in particular has gone so hard on the government.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 10:10:16 GMT 10
The Gillard backlash says more about her detractorsThere is not just a gender gap in Australian politics - the polls show support for Julia Gillard is stronger among women - there is also a generation gap. It is time now to say goodbye to the old men of politics - Kim Carr, Simon Crean, Martin Ferguson and Kevin Rudd - and give the new team a go, relieved of the heavy burden of a patriarchal past. The future belongs to Gillard, Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Bill Shorten, Greg Combet, Mark Dreyfus and others with talent and forward vision. It also belongs to politicians who care about more than themselves and their careers, who care about climate change and the environment, as Combet does, who care about disability insurance, as Shorten does, who care about the state of our hospitals, as Plibersek does, and who care passionately about access to education as our Prime Minister does. We also want a government that cares about aged pensioners enough to give them an unprecedented increase in their pensions, as the Gillard government did last week; and that recognises the justice in raising the wages of childcare workers. This government recognises the vulnerability of the very old and the very young and their dependence on a compassionate state. Such real concern was also evident in Gillard's apology and speech to the (then unmarried) mothers who had their babies cruelly taken from them in the decades after World War II, an event of national significance that was eclipsed by the unedifying male power play over the federal Labor leadership that then ensued. The advent of Australia's first female prime minister, more than 100 years after women first won the right to vote and stand for election to office in the national Parliament, was clearly a shock to the political system and the national psyche. Since Federation, more than 20 men of different parties - from Edmund Barton to Rudd - have served as Australian prime minister. Then Gillard dared to follow in their footsteps. Many fellow politicians and public commentators never forgave her audacity. Historians of the future will see more clearly perhaps than we can the pattern of relentless attacks on her that followed, both inside and outside Parliament, including the astonishing press campaigns by male journalists calling on her to resign, male cartoonists vilifying her, and some male colleagues - yesterday's men - continually plotting to unseat her. Now hopefully they will retire from office and allow a new young cohort to succeed them.
Enough is enough. It has been exasperating for many of us, as citizens without power, to watch helplessly as this campaign of denigration dragged on and on. Journalists seemingly too lazy or unimaginative to investigate policy innovation, larger contexts, new ideas or broader social and economic change seem to rely wholly on polls for their subject matter and many seem personally obsessed with destroying Gillard. She has been subject to sexist attacks and unwittingly called up the misogyny that lies deep in Australian culture, brought to the surface by the terrifying sight of women in power.Little wonder that men still dominate those other august institutions, the military, the churches, the press and our universities. When some people speak of Prime Minister Gillard they do so with the particular contempt and dislike they usually reserve for women. People often spoke about Margaret Thatcher in the same way. When they call Gillard's judgment into question - one of the most common charges levelled against her - they draw on centuries-old prejudices that hold that women can't be trusted. They couldn't be trusted with money, so for years banks held out against appointing them as tellers; they couldn't be trusted with their children, so had to fight for decades for the right to custody; they couldn't be trusted to sit in judgment on their fellow citizens, so the right to sit on juries was one of the last civil rights to be extended to women in Australia. Not until the 1980s did all states agree to admit women to jury service. Now it seems women can't be trusted to govern. As the Prime Minister displays extraordinary grace under pressure, as she continues to govern the nation in the face of incessant attacks, as she shows admirable commitment and clear-sightedness, male commentators now move to deplore her toughness - an admirable quality in a man - suggesting surely that it is unbecoming in a woman. But Gillard doesn't only have strength, she has compassion and good humour. And she knows that most women and fair-minded men support her in her program of change and her vision of a fairer society.Marilyn Lake is professor in history at the University of Melbourne. Read more: www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-gillard-backlash-says-more-about-her-detractors-20130325-2gq0f.html#ixzz2ObF4Z0n8
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Post by caskur on Mar 26, 2013 10:19:08 GMT 10
One is Iraq - Illegal The other Afghanistan - legal IMHO both wrong wrong wrong. Men are wrong. They're war loving sinners.
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Post by caskur on Mar 26, 2013 10:23:14 GMT 10
One is Iraq - Illegal The other Afghanistan - legal IMHO both wrong wrong wrong. It was a war not fought in any one country since the cells were spread everywhere... one minute that idiot koffi said to fight the war on terror, then he and others changed their minds. However, Saddam was paying suicide bombers families in Palestine $25,000 ... there was a whole bunch of evil going on and it'll never change in those countries while they all have a hole in their bums... that is the way they are wired and as soon as people get that, the better.
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Post by fat on Mar 26, 2013 10:33:57 GMT 10
Men are wrong. They're war loving sinners.
You are incorrect on one count ABC. I am a man and while I may be wrong (often - just ask my wife) and a sinner (often again - you can even ask me that one) I am not a war lover. I abhor war and the shocking waste of the best of everything we are that it represents.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 26, 2013 11:22:12 GMT 10
It was sanctioned by the UN... I couldn't care what that article says! try again! Try again? Who did Kofi Annan work for? The Boy Scouts? Displaying your massive ignorance there!
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 26, 2013 11:23:57 GMT 10
Men are wrong. They're war loving sinners.You are incorrect on one count ABC. I am a man and while I may be wrong (often - just ask my wife) and a sinner (often again - you can even ask me that one) I am not a war lover. I abhor war and the shocking waste of the best of everything we are that it represents. Agree 100%. Not all men love war and those that sent our brave young men to these wars need to be hEld to account!
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Post by pim on Mar 26, 2013 11:46:32 GMT 10
... with apologies to the Bard, whose works I propose to bowdlerise outrageously and eclectically: Sweet friend, forbear To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. 'Twas but a tale told by an idiot Full of sound and fury Signifying nothing ... How am I doing? Profuse enough??
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Post by garfield on Mar 26, 2013 12:43:06 GMT 10
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