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Post by tam on Feb 23, 2013 11:34:55 GMT 10
Nobody thinks violence against women is okay. Simone heard alarm bells and should have gotten out of the relationship then. She was certainly a silly girl going out drinking with him when she knew he couldn't handle it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 11:40:59 GMT 10
Thank you for your rational post Tam.
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Post by slartibartfast on Feb 23, 2013 12:10:41 GMT 10
Unlike you, tam doesn't condone violence on women.
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Post by pim on Feb 23, 2013 15:44:33 GMT 10
Well I am NOT ashamed Sonex. Simone was an idiot for getting involved with this guy in the first place .... ... The signs were all there but she didn't pay attention. Right from the start she ignored those signs. She persisted in this relationship and any idiot could see where it was heading. She's lucky she got out of it with just a scar. C'mon, Stellar! Are you really saying that some women ask for it?
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Post by garfield on Feb 23, 2013 16:20:39 GMT 10
Maybe she was one of those chicks that like fighting and tormenting the fuck out of their partner to get a reaction, not that thats an excuse for an assault but there are women that get a kick out of pushing buttons and there are men that can't just walk away but instead snap. Its what I tell people about road rage, don't get into it unless you are prepared to go toe to toe with a psych patient that may be prepared to do 20 years at your expense, either ignore it or accept that if you engage in it it could end up being a life and death situation.
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Post by pim on Feb 23, 2013 16:38:34 GMT 10
Maybe she was one of those chicks that like fighting and tormenting the f*** out of their partner to get a reaction, not that thats an excuse for an assault but there are women that get a kick out of pushing buttons. So ... decoding all that, for a male to hit a woman for any reason is just not on. You say that provocation by the woman is no excuse for assault and battery by the man and I agree. What I find remarkable is that Stellar seems to think that there are circumstances in which it is OK for a man to strike a woman. So let me get this straight ... if you're a guy and the woman in your life is really getting in your face, screaming insults and using words as bullets then the best thing is for the guy simply to walk away. Which is what happened in a case I know of personally where a woman who lived with a guy I used to know was screaming abuse at him and said something like "... and you and your slut of a daughter can ... xyz". It wasn't her daughter. He said to me later when he was telling me about it that that was the tipping point for him. She'd been a bit of a screamer (I'm not going to go into both sides and this isn't about who was right & who was wrong. Let's just say it was an unhappy situation on both sides). She dealt with her unhappiness by screaming abuse at him and he dealt with his unhappiness by withdrawing. It was a relationship that needed to end. All it needed was a tipping point. It came when she called his teenage daughter a "slut" in the "your slut of a daughter" screaming session. For the guy, and I only have his version, that was the moment when he felt someing go "click" inside his head. No more attempts at conciliation, no more visits to the relationships counsellor, he and his daughter just packed a bag and walked out. He certainly didn't physically or verbally threaten her. In fact he just froze emotionally and blanked her out. From that moment on, it was as if she no longer existed as a person he wanted to interact with. Is that the sort of provocation you're talking about? Because if he'd hit her he'd have been criminally liable even though I'd have to agree there was a lot of provocation. He didn't respond to the provocation in that way. His response was not to say another word and to leave. Next time she heard from him was via his solicitor formally advising her that in his view the relationship had irretrievably broken down and that he wished to do a property settlement.
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Post by garfield on Feb 23, 2013 17:07:11 GMT 10
I know so many people that are in argumentative relationships, sometimes I think they like living that way, I couldn't stand it for a second, its peaceful bliss at my place and thats the way I like it, could be too boring for some though, when I first started going out with my missus 25 years ago I told her don't ever ever tell me what to do and don't nag me and we'll get along just fine, some women wouldn't like the sound of that arrangement and thats fine too because I know some blokes that like having a wife that is also their mother so you just need to find the sort of marital arrangement that works for you.
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Post by jody on Feb 23, 2013 17:12:21 GMT 10
Garfield I am fine with that arrangement, as long as it goes both ways.
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Post by caskur on Feb 23, 2013 17:15:37 GMT 10
I know so many people that are in argumentative relationships, sometimes I think they like living that way, I couldn't stand it for a second, its peaceful bliss at my place and thats the way I like it, could be too boring for some though, when I first started going out with my missus 25 years ago I told her don't ever ever tell me what to do and don't nag me and we'll get along just fine, some women wouldn't like the sound of that arrangement and thats fine too because I know some blokes that like having a wife that is also their mother so you just need to find the sort of marital arrangement that works for you. Some men are gross naggers... men never shut up...if they're an Aries, times that by a 1000... Except Geo... he's lovely for an Aries!
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Post by garfield on Feb 23, 2013 17:20:38 GMT 10
Garfield I am fine with that arrangement, as long as it goes both ways. Does in my house, I hate people that try to tell other people what to do, my missus is free to do whatever the hell she wants, I'll never tell her what to do.
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Post by jody on Feb 23, 2013 17:22:40 GMT 10
good for you. (Y)
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 4:39:40 GMT 10
Thank you for your rational post Tam. Even reading her own account, exactly how LONG and how much continual quarreling, acting out and tantrums did she stick with the guy through?? And it hadnt even started very far into the relationship, and her response was to ramp the relationship up moving him in with her...on her own account, the only picture it paints is that it was quite clear and obvious and continually demonstrated to her, that he had something seriously wrong with him, emotionally/psychiatrically. and frankly I also fail to see why exactly she should be the recipient of crime compensation money that she is now waiting for... even as an assault, it was chump-change in the scheme of things compared what others go through, anyway, shes ended up with a little chip of glass in her cheek.. ...and shes got noone to blame but her own judgement and choices. And this was not some welfare suburb bogan woman with low self-esteem.. It was some nice City-job BMW-driving inner-suburbs shit doesnt stink Yuppie.
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Post by caskur on Feb 24, 2013 5:44:40 GMT 10
violent crimes deserve a jail sentence period.
one of our hideous real life friends smacked her husband in the face at 6:30 in the morning while he was having a cup of coffee... he got up and chased her and yelled, "if you've drawn blood, you're going to pay for that." she didn't draw blood and he failed to catch her...
he is also a man at risk from female aggression that is WAY WAY over the top. I am actually now seriously worried for his safety. I told him if anything bad happens, my husband and I will stand up for him in court... we've advised him not to retaliate ... at the moment, he's the victim of domestic violence... we said to him... don't make her the one needing pity.
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 7:26:20 GMT 10
point is this, its all proportional, and FAR FAR more serious assaults than this one, between strangers, totally unprovoked,with permanent injuries for the victim,
every damn day do not get a custodial sentence.
And this sheila, if it wasnt her on the receiving end , would be odds-on the type that spruiks for airy-fairy lenient f***ing sentencing.
the reporter is beating up a very poignant eloquent song and dance about it for issue drivers which are nothing to do with the gravity of the assault itself, which is a very trivial one .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 7:28:28 GMT 10
Well I am NOT ashamed Sonex. Simone was an idiot for getting involved with this guy in the first place .... ... The signs were all there but she didn't pay attention. Right from the start she ignored those signs. She persisted in this relationship and any idiot could see where it was heading. She's lucky she got out of it with just a scar. C'mon, Stellar! Are you really saying that some women ask for it? Going by the evidence, in some cases they actually do! (Ask GD police who spend a vast amount of their time responding to domestics. However what I would say is that although they might not "ask for it" they certainly go looking for it!!
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Post by slartibartfast on Feb 24, 2013 7:29:21 GMT 10
FFS, no wonder I treat you with contempt.
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 7:30:04 GMT 10
and btw...I had a feeling I knew which paper it was from without even looking.
and I was right.
Good old Yuppie Pravda.
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 7:31:26 GMT 10
FFS, no wonder I treat you with contempt. Everyone basically tolerates and humors you, high chair num-nums...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 7:31:37 GMT 10
Thank you for your rational post Tam. Even reading her own account, exactly how LONG and how much continual quarreling, acting out and tantrums did she stick with the guy through?? And it hadnt even started very far into the relationship, and her response was to ramp the relationship up moving him in with her...on her own account, the only picture it paints is that it was quite clear and obvious and continually demonstrated to her, that he had something seriously wrong with him, emotionally/psychiatrically. and frankly I also fail to see why exactly she should be the recipient of crime compensation money that she is now waiting for... even as an assault, it was chump-change in the scheme of things compared what others go through, anyway, shes ended up with a little chip of glass in her cheek.. ...and shes got noone to blame but her own judgement and choices. And this was not some welfare suburb bogan woman with low self-esteem.. It was some nice City-job BMW-driving inner-suburbs shit doesnt stink Yuppie. And they are the ones who try to hide it. With makeup, avoiding outings with friends and family and when they can't get out of it, by claiming that they walked into a door. That sort of thing. Always in denial.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 7:33:29 GMT 10
violent crimes deserve a jail sentence period. one of our hideous real life friends smacked her husband in the face at 6:30 in the morning while he was having a cup of coffee... he got up and chased her and yelled, "if you've drawn blood, you're going to pay for that." she didn't draw blood and he failed to catch her... he is also a man at risk from female aggression that is WAY WAY over the top. I am actually now seriously worried for his safety. I told him if anything bad happens, my husband and I will stand up for him in court... we've advised him not to retaliate ... at the moment, he's the victim of domestic violence... we said to him... don't make her the one needing pity. None of the loonies here is concerned with males copping domestic shit Cas. You're wasting your time on the lefties. To them the only abuse is male on female.
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 7:34:09 GMT 10
Bet your bippie, there would be more to this sheila if you looked into her , Stellar..
Blokes a fucken psycho who Id have no problem seeing off the streets too, but this sheila has issues as well that put her on collision course with this kind of situation, you could almost bet on it..
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 24, 2013 7:38:41 GMT 10
violent crimes deserve a jail sentence period. one of our hideous real life friends smacked her husband in the face at 6:30 in the morning while he was having a cup of coffee... he got up and chased her and yelled, "if you've drawn blood, you're going to pay for that." she didn't draw blood and he failed to catch her... he is also a man at risk from female aggression that is WAY WAY over the top. I am actually now seriously worried for his safety. I told him if anything bad happens, my husband and I will stand up for him in court... we've advised him not to retaliate ... at the moment, he's the victim of domestic violence... we said to him... don't make her the one needing pity. None of the loonies here is concerned with males copping domestic shit Cas. You're wasting your time on the lefties. To them the only abuse is male on female. and if not male on female, then the only crimes they ever start threads on are then white on black. Remember the ballyhoo about Martin and Zimmerman??? From a country where homicide is overwhelmingly a black crime, and almost all blacks killed are killed by blacks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 8:09:14 GMT 10
FFS, no wonder I treat you with contempt. Oh the feelings mutual Farter. Now stop stalking me everywhere across this board!!
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Post by caskur on Feb 24, 2013 8:18:04 GMT 10
violent crimes deserve a jail sentence period. one of our hideous real life friends smacked her husband in the face at 6:30 in the morning while he was having a cup of coffee... he got up and chased her and yelled, "if you've drawn blood, you're going to pay for that." she didn't draw blood and he failed to catch her... he is also a man at risk from female aggression that is WAY WAY over the top. I am actually now seriously worried for his safety. I told him if anything bad happens, my husband and I will stand up for him in court... we've advised him not to retaliate ... at the moment, he's the victim of domestic violence... we said to him... don't make her the one needing pity. None of the loonies here is concerned with males copping domestic shit Cas. You're wasting your time on the lefties. To them the only abuse is male on female. The woman I am thinking about is undiagnosed...I personally think she needs some medication. Women do attack men but there is much lower incidence of it.
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Post by caskur on Feb 24, 2013 8:22:10 GMT 10
In my lifetime, I have seen two women hit men for no real reason other than spite and complete lack of self control.
Men on the other hand have outrageous lack of self control, especially when they're drunk. They all seem to want to be Muhammad Ali...
What do the call drunken violent behaviour or outbursts? Dutch Courage?
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