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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2013 17:33:57 GMT 10
New Zealand to take 150 refugees from Australia per year. Hardly any, and all Julia Gillard and John Key are doing is encouraging more ILLEGAL boat arrivals.
Has New Zealand not learned from European examples? What is 150 muslims per year now, will turn into a tsunami later.
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2013 17:35:28 GMT 10
Australia and New Zealand should be unified in saying NO to refugees, not encouraging them!
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Post by pim on Feb 9, 2013 17:50:53 GMT 10
As a Christian, what is your view on the story of Joseph & Mary's flight into Egypt with baby Jesus? Should they have been stopped at the border by the Egyptians and forced back? Should they have been indefinitely detained by the Egyptians, perhaps in the middle of the Egyptian desert or maybe in d detention facility in a malarial swamp in the First Cataract of the Nile? Or should they have been outsourced to some non-Egyptian venue further up the Nile beyond Egypt but in some basket case place whose poverty and scarce resources forced it into a client state relationship with the Egyptians?
Instead the gospels tell us they were received kindly and lived in Egypt for some years until the nasty Herod guy carked it and they were able to go home.
Were the Egyptian wrong to greet Jesus and his family in this way? What's more, since we're told this was as a result of the Massacre of the Holy Innocents, and if we accept the story as factual (Buzz, STFU on this one. Please?) I'd bet that Joseph and Mary with baby Jesus weren't the only young family that became refugees and asylum seekers. In fact I'd say it was highly likely that there was a flood of Hebrew refugees into Egypt if Herod was sending out goons to slaughter male children. And with asylum seekers come the people smugglers ... So were the Egyptians wrong to accept them, offer them refuge and to treat them humanely?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 19:34:57 GMT 10
Australia and New Zealand should be unified in saying NO to refugees, not encouraging them! That suckarse wanker John Key should be telling Julia to take care of her own boat people problem.
The arsewipe is also sucking up to the Americans.
Someone should shoot the bastard.
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Post by jody on Feb 9, 2013 21:52:58 GMT 10
Good question pim
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Post by caskur on Feb 9, 2013 22:34:02 GMT 10
As a Christian, what is your view on the story of Joseph & Mary's flight into Egypt with baby Jesus? Should they have been stopped at the border by the Egyptians and forced back? Should they have been indefinitely detained by the Egyptians, perhaps in the middle of the Egyptian desert or maybe in d detention facility in a malarial swamp in the First Cataract of the Nile? Or should they have been outsourced to some non-Egyptian venue further up the Nile beyond Egypt but in some basket case place whose poverty and scarce resources forced it into a client state relationship with the Egyptians? Instead the gospels tell us they were received kindly and lived in Egypt for some years until the nasty Herod guy carked it and they were able to go home. Were the Egyptian wrong to greet Jesus and his family in this way? What's more, since we're told this was as a result of the Massacre of the Holy Innocents, and if we accept the story as factual (Buzz, STFU on this one. Please?) I'd bet that Joseph and Mary with baby Jesus weren't the only young family that became refugees and asylum seekers. In fact I'd say it was highly likely that there was a flood of Hebrew refugees into Egypt if Herod was sending out goons to slaughter male children. And with asylum seekers come the people smugglers ... So were the Egyptians wrong to accept them, offer them refuge and to treat them humanely? Did they have "borders" back then?
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2013 2:16:32 GMT 10
Australia and New Zealand should be unified in saying NO to refugees, not encouraging them! That suckarse wanker John Key should be telling Julia to take care of her own boat people problem.
The arsewipe is also sucking up to the Americans.
Someone should shoot the bastard.It has nothing to do with New Zealand in reality, in isolation. It is a western thing, and we should be unified in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, United States and Europe in our opposition. Our civilized society, based on Judeo-Christian values should not be allowed to be hijacked by these people.
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Post by pim on Feb 10, 2013 7:03:55 GMT 10
Innit marvellous how someone as blinkered as Matt can invoke something called "Judeo/Christian values" (a rubbish concept invented by US christian fundamentalists with crap theology and an agenda of falsifying history) in order to advance a bigoted and racist anti-immigrant agenda, and when it's demonstrated - as I just did in my #2 - that those very values as outlined in Matthew 2:13-23 are in direct contradiction to Matt's bigotries and race hatred, he refuses to address the issue or deal with it.
As for your phony "Judeo/Christian" crapology, you should have hung on to the "Judeo" part and stayed a Jew, Matt, 'coz you sure ain't no Christian!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 7:05:18 GMT 10
Our civilized society, based on Judeo-Christian values should not be allowed to be hijacked by these people. Well....Abo society got hijacked by WHITIE boat people.
So what's the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 9:36:13 GMT 10
What is 150 muslims per year now, will turn into a tsunami later. Quick, I think I saw some Mussos hiding under you bed Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 9:38:22 GMT 10
I'd bet that Joseph and Mary with baby Jesus weren't the only young family that became refugees and asylum seekers. In fact I'd say it was highly likely that there was a flood of Hebrew refugees into Egypt if Herod was sending out goons to slaughter male children. And with asylum seekers come the people smugglers ... So were the Egyptians wrong to accept them, offer them refuge and to treat them humanely? You might have realised by now Pim, that Jesus's Grand Parents were refugees also.
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2013 22:40:15 GMT 10
Our civilized society, based on Judeo-Christian values should not be allowed to be hijacked by these people. Well....Abo society got hijacked by WHITIE boat people.
So what's the difference?When New Zealand is overrun by these people who cannot integrate, I am very sure you'll be voting for the anti-immigration party in New Zealand.
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Post by matt on Feb 10, 2013 22:42:54 GMT 10
I have a very open mind to immigration, in fact, I think we should have more of it. But the people who are successful in gaining a working visa / permanent residency should be compatible with the Australian Judeo-Christian ethos.
The word "assimilation" should not need to be used, because they should already be hardwired to the western viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 7:54:01 GMT 10
When New Zealand is overrun by these people who cannot integrate, I am very sure you'll be voting for the anti-immigration party in New Zealand. Maori were over-run by whitie boat-people who refused to integrate. And in Oz, the whitie boat-people who over-ran the place not only refused to integrate, but they also tried to exterminate the Aboriginies who had already been living there for many thousands of years (in fact, since even before your imaginary biblegod supposedly created the earth).
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Post by pim on Feb 11, 2013 9:35:37 GMT 10
Hey KTJ, enough of the crap victimology. Even acknowledging a certain truth in the mantras that you (tediously) keep trotting out with its PC crap about "victims" and "oppressors" - without for one second accepting your oversimplified b & w reductionism, the fact is that we are here and you "pakeha" are there. Whatever the future holds in both Australia and NZ, it's going to include whitefellas, and lots of them.
The problem with you, KTJ, is that you take a thread like this one, which as about refugees and immigration, and you attempt to hijack it with your "black indigenous victims vs nasty whitefella oppressors" snake oil.
So when somebody else posts a considered reply to the racism and the bigotry inherent in the reffo-demonising anti-immigrant diatribes of people like Matt, you intervene with your "anti-whitie" bullshit which, far from being any sort of response to the racists and the bigots in fact benefits them because it provides the distraction they need to ignore the considered reply and engage in an exchange of abuse with you.
Thanks for nothing you stupid jerk! We can do without your mindless lollipop left crapola.
Why don't you either pull your head in and STFU, or go away, do a bit of reading and thinking - and I mean something a bit more substantial than your c & p's from US "left liberal" trendy lefties - and involve yourself in some genuine activism, say for about 10 years at least. Then come back here and you might have something worthwhile to say.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 9:47:12 GMT 10
As a Christian, what is your view on the story of Joseph & Mary's flight into Egypt with baby Jesus? Should they have been stopped at the border by the Egyptians and forced back? Should they have been indefinitely detained by the Egyptians, perhaps in the middle of the Egyptian desert or maybe in d detention facility in a malarial swamp in the First Cataract of the Nile? Or should they have been outsourced to some non-Egyptian venue further up the Nile beyond Egypt but in some basket case place whose poverty and scarce resources forced it into a client state relationship with the Egyptians? Instead the gospels tell us they were received kindly and lived in Egypt for some years until the nasty Herod guy carked it and they were able to go home. Were the Egyptian wrong to greet Jesus and his family in this way? What's more, since we're told this was as a result of the Massacre of the Holy Innocents, and if we accept the story as factual (Buzz, STFU on this one. Please?) I'd bet that Joseph and Mary with baby Jesus weren't the only young family that became refugees and asylum seekers. In fact I'd say it was highly likely that there was a flood of Hebrew refugees into Egypt if Herod was sending out goons to slaughter male children. And with asylum seekers come the people smugglers ... So were the Egyptians wrong to accept them, offer them refuge and to treat them humanely? Did they have "borders" back then? No they didn't. And Pim's analogy is just a glib response that has no bearing on refugees today and their PTSD disability pensions for life. I'm sure that Mary and Joseph didn't come into Egypt demanding a house and welfare money to live on. I'm sure that Joseph would have worked to provide food and a roof over their heads. Whilst the spoonfed pampered refugees of today expect 5 star accommodation, Mary and Joseph were happy to bed down in a stable in Bethlehem. They were the antithesis of the bludging parasites that are trying to infest our country, summed up by that refugee woman in Indo when informed of Juliar's decision to allow them all into our country and straight into the community without any time in detention. Remember her words?? "Now I will have a free house and free money and life will be very easy for me!" Thus is the reason "refugees" continue to pour across our borders. Yet we have enough of these parasites of our own ... Abos, Islanders and bogans ... all bludging parasites living off the taxpayers. Should have been drowned at birth. Surely enough is enough!!!
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Post by bender on Feb 11, 2013 10:18:15 GMT 10
Stellar, that post of yours is not the product of a reasoned, rational mind. Just how warped have you become that you would state that you believe certain races of people should have been drowned at birth.
I doubt you would even comprehend just how unashamedly evil your mind has become. I'm slightly perplexed at what could cause a person from a privelaged, first world life to develop such a twisted mindset as yours has become.
Life with perceptions like those you exhibit Stellar must be very, very difficult for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 10:57:36 GMT 10
That post of mine Bender, is the product of having spent the past week in the outer west helping renovate a property once inhabited by freeloading welfare bludgers. When the tenants moved out, the little dears in the area came down and kicked in walls, smashed windows, graffitied the walls and water heater, bent the clothes line to a 45° angle and ripped palings off the fence. When you work really hard like me Bender you will understand. I not only do my shifts in the asylum, I will be spending a lot of time in future helping with these renos. I get tired Bender, and for the past 2 weeks I have been working from 8 am to 8 pm on my days off, cleaning, painting, washing down walls, scrubbing bathrooms and clearing the gardens. This is 7 days a week for me and will be for the foreseeable future. You want to help your kids get ahead - they work hard too and then do this on top of everything else! So when you see the results of these parasites and actually have to fix it all up, maybe you too will understand. And then, to cap it all off - yesterday this bloke in a ute with trailer stopped outside the house. We'd just offloaded a stove to go in the kitchen. As it was about 35° I said we should put it on the lawn in the shade and I'd clean it up outside. This bloke actually asked us to give him the stove because he reckoned we didn't want it! When my son said it was just being cleaned up, this bloke went on a disgusting tirade of four letter words and threatened to come back and trash the house and turn it upside down!! And all the while we were working, unlicenced youths on unregistered motorbikes and quad bikes towing bikes kept buzzing up and down the street and driving everyone crazy. Such is the mentality of these mindless morons. My son cannot even let them know he is a police officer, otherwise they will come back and burn the house down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:49:09 GMT 10
Hey KTJ, enough of the crap victimology. Even acknowledging a certain truth in the mantras that you (tediously) keep trotting out with its PC crap about "victims" and "oppressors" - without for one second accepting your oversimplified b & w reductionism, the fact is that we are here and you "pakeha" are there. Whatever the future holds in both Australia and NZ, it's going to include whitefellas, and lots of them. The problem with you, KTJ, is that you take a thread like this one, which as about refugees and immigration, and you attempt to hijack it with your "black indigenous victims vs nasty whitefella oppressors" snake oil. So when somebody else posts a considered reply to the racism and the bigotry inherent in the reffo-demonising anti-immigrant diatribes of people like Matt, you intervene with your "anti-whitie" bullshit which, far from being any sort of response to the racists and the bigots in fact benefits them because it provides the distraction they need to ignore the considered reply and engage in an exchange of abuse with you. Thanks for nothing you stupid jerk! We can do without your mindless lollipop left crapola. Why don't you either pull your head in and STFU, or go away, do a bit of reading and thinking - and I mean something a bit more substantial than your c & p's from US "left liberal" trendy lefties - and involve yourself in some genuine activism, say for about 10 years at least. Then come back here and you might have something worthwhile to say. Well....all I'm doing is pointing out the HYPOCRISY of those who froth at the mouth demanding that immigrants integrate into the society that is in existance, when that very society only exists as it does because earlier immigrants (who didn't have visas) refused point-blank to integrate with the society (primitive as it was) that already existed. In other words, they are virtually saying "do as I say, not as I (and my ancestors) have done!" HYPOCRISY!!
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Post by fat on Feb 11, 2013 20:59:58 GMT 10
We are to send 150 non-citizens to NZ a year and 50 000 new New Zealanders settle in Australia annually. ;D
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Post by caskur on Feb 12, 2013 0:38:45 GMT 10
I think our poor planet is over-run by humans period.
too bad buzzcocks bird flu pandemic proved a dud scare campaign... I was looking forward to seeing the humans on the brink of extinction...
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2013 1:25:37 GMT 10
True, and it isn't western people breeding like rabbits, it is the Muslims and Africans. It is a disgrace that Africans deliberately have kids knowing what the children will be born into!
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Post by caskur on Feb 12, 2013 3:17:33 GMT 10
yep... very sad indeed.
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Post by pim on Feb 12, 2013 8:25:24 GMT 10
Yeah! How dare these blackfellas have so many kids!
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Post by Salem on Feb 12, 2013 9:06:31 GMT 10
The problem with NZ is no one wants to live there, they are losing citizens at a fast rate and are trying to attract residents. Their ageing and taxation/pension system is at stake due to young NZers of working age migrating elsewhere so they have a desperate need to attract residents to keep their little country going, no matter where the residents come from.
Pim's empty and glib response ignores the salient point Matt brings up. Its also the problem with third and fourth if you will, world countries. Lack of food, hygiene and sanitation in these starving countries is exacerbated by lack of birth control use and over-population. Thats an issue that these organisations like World Vision ignore. Maybe NZ can take in some of these people from Africa, Ethiopia etc.
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