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Post by ponto on Mar 2, 2021 14:01:42 GMT 10
Cas most bushfires past, present and future were started by humans, a % by lightning, a % electricity wires....no fires actual self combust.
The fires were particularly bad due to the extreme weather conditions, and that's what climate change does....creates extreme weather which is increasing due to climate change.
Then being a conservative you will not recognise climate change is happening or at least not man made from pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
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Post by pim on Mar 2, 2021 14:25:26 GMT 10
What? Are we really going to allow the thread to be hijacked by the rehashing of an old Liberal/National lie that was thoroughly debunked not by Labor or the ABC but by the cops and the fireys themselves www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022The bushfire mention was in passing to underscore Scott Morrison’s refusal to accept and shoulder the burdens of leadership in the crises that have occurred on his watch: 1. Bushfires - “I don’t hold a hose, mate!” 2. Pandemic - the good record in the response to the pandemic is the result of the states doing the heavy lifting 3. Criminal misogyny - from “I know nothing and I had a chat to Jen about it” to “no comment because it’s a police matter” (it isn’t!) 4. Unknown serving cabinet minister accused of rape - “that’s a bubble question” 5. Aged care Royal Commission report - hold the press conference half an hour after the release of the report before any journalist has had a chance to get their hands on it. Then give all of the above the full Scotty from Marketing bullshit treatment and claim to be a government that is “open and transparent”. There’s only so much time that you can play the people for mugs. You can get away with it for a while but each time you get away with it you use up a bit more political capital. Keep it up and you end up with zero political capital and political Armageddon looms. Or as Abraham Lincoln put it more elegantly: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Abraham Lincoln
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Post by ponto on Mar 2, 2021 14:34:51 GMT 10
I wasn't going to address Cas comment on bushfires, and don't know why people persist with such false narrative...endeavour to educate rather than ridicule.
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Post by caskur on Mar 3, 2021 8:41:08 GMT 10
The stench of criminal misogyny that infects the Morrison government does not augur well for an early election. In fact the longer Scott Morrison fails to lead and instead hides behind his "police matter" (actually doubtful given that the victim is dead) obfuscation, which reminds me of his "I don't hold a hose mate" during the bushfires and "I talked it over with Jen" train wreck of a response to Brittany Higgins, the more it will poison his government. How many males are there in the Morrison cabinet? Every one of them is under a cloud as long as Morrison covers for the unknown alleged rapist. This is going to dominate every Question Time and Senate Estimates hearing. Nope nope nope. This is unsustainable. We need Scott Morrison PM and instead all we get is Scotty from Marketing. it is a police matter tho.....solely. All rapes are soley police matters. It is probaby illegal for anyone to publicly name an alleged rapist. It is called defamation.
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Post by pim on Mar 3, 2021 8:57:02 GMT 10
You’re behind the times in the way this is playing out, Caskur. The cops have said there’s nothing they can base an investigation on that they can present to a court. Nobody is surprised and everyone expected that the cops would say this mainly because the woman who was allegedly raped is dead. So no witness. Scotty from Marketing knew this when he tried to hide behind his bullshit “this is a police matter” line. A clear case of Scott Morrison giving it the full Scotty from Marketing treatment. Since it’s not a police matter it shifts to the level of politics.
Watch this space.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 3, 2021 9:42:18 GMT 10
This rape allegedly happened in 1988! They were apparently two 16 year olds. FFS get over it! She should have gone to police in the first place. Why leave it so long? And would she have gone public with this if the alleged rapist wasn't a politician or other well known figure? I doubt it.
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Post by pim on Mar 3, 2021 10:31:00 GMT 10
Two points:
1. The era of blame the victim is over
2. I wasn't aware that there's a statute of limitations on reporting a rape.
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Post by Gort on Mar 3, 2021 11:15:00 GMT 10
It's an extremely difficult situation. Some kind of "quasi judicial" inquiry seems weird since there is insufficient evidence to press charges. It is not like the Dyson Heydon situation which involved an adult in a position of power being investigated by the organisation where the alleged offences took place. This case involves two teenage secondary school children. There is plenty of evidence that the girl told others of what she said took place, but sadly there is no evidence to prove what she claimed is true. Only two people knew what actually happened or did not happen, and very sadly, one of them is now dead. I would think that the minister's career is over in the medium term but what an extraordinary circumstance that a person could have his career destroyed without actual charges being laid. I don't know what actually happened, no-one else alive knows what actually happened except the minister. If he did rape her, he should suffer the consequences. BUT ... What if he is actually innocent of the claims?
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Post by ponto on Mar 3, 2021 11:50:02 GMT 10
Enter into politics with skeletons in the closet and they will be found out....and the people do not deserve having politicians with skeletons in their closet
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Post by Gort on Mar 3, 2021 12:40:31 GMT 10
Speaking of Canberra ...
Just finished watching Grace Tame's address to the National Press Club.
Wow!
What a powerful speech.
Psychological control, grooming, sexual assault and rape.
If you missed it, have a look around for a replay.
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Post by Gort on Mar 3, 2021 22:28:47 GMT 10
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Post by caskur on Mar 4, 2021 8:30:04 GMT 10
Cas most bushfires past, present and future were started by humans, a % by lightning, a % electricity wires....no fires actual self combust. The fires were particularly bad due to the extreme weather conditions, and that's what climate change does....creates extreme weather which is increasing due to climate change. Then being a conservative you will not recognise climate change is happening or at least not man made from pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. the recent fires in WA were started by an arsonist/s.... man made.. farms that pulled out native plants and grew European weeds that die off in summer causing a fire hazard to our bush was a man made contruction.... Quit the climate change bullshit....about greenhouse.... the earth has always been a greenhouse. The sooner the poles melt the better. All those people living in cold areas will use less energy heating their hovels.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 4, 2021 9:29:34 GMT 10
There have been both icehouse and greenhouse periods from the beginning of time .....
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Post by bender on Mar 4, 2021 16:58:10 GMT 10
This rape allegedly happened in 1988! They were apparently two 16 year olds. FFS get over it! She should have gone to police in the first place. Why leave it so long? And would she have gone public with this if the alleged rapist wasn't a politician or other well known figure? I doubt it. Sorry to interrupt you Stellar, the 1950's have been calling, apparently they're looking for their attitudes. Honestly Stellar, top notch piece of victim blaming there.
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Post by ponto on Mar 4, 2021 17:19:48 GMT 10
There has always been climatic changes due to CO2 levels....with the current event its deny from conservatives who refuse to believe its happening from human produced CO2 in burning fossils, and that it is happening very quickly not over 1,000's years for a 1-2 deg rise....in the end it doesn't matter anymore as governments by force or willing are no longer kowtowing to denial. And with bushfires. surprised no mention of not enough burn offs as the cause to recent bushfires.... never the extreme dry conditions from above avg temps.
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Post by Gort on Mar 4, 2021 17:22:14 GMT 10
The poor woman was mentally ill.
Was that mental state a result of an attack, or was it her mental illness that led her to make a false claim in the first place is unable to be determined according to police investigations.
There the story ends.
I find it highly improbable that an organised debating contest run by a school would allow a 16 year old girl and a 17 year old boy to go off together to a room alone.
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Post by ponto on Mar 4, 2021 18:20:38 GMT 10
They were at a formal dinner, a dance having a good ol' time rocking out ...and the debate team were alone when the girl was ironing the boys shirts.
Now the parents are calling for an inquiry, person who sent letters is a barrister....Porter is up against some big guns...the story continues.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 5, 2021 8:06:59 GMT 10
This rape allegedly happened in 1988! They were apparently two 16 year olds. FFS get over it! She should have gone to police in the first place. Why leave it so long? And would she have gone public with this if the alleged rapist wasn't a politician or other well known figure? I doubt it. Sorry to interrupt you Stellar, the 1950's have been calling, apparently they're looking for their attitudes. Honestly Stellar, top notch piece of victim blaming there. Well it's like this Bender ... I believe everyone has to take responsibility for themselves - and that includes their own safety. Wouldn't you agree? One way for women is to not get as drunk as a skunk and then call foul play. I mean, really, do people who drink and then get into a car and cause mayhem on the roads, just brush it off with - oh sorry I was drunk?? I'm not responsible for my actions. I was out of it. Yeah, sure! As a much younger Stellar, I can tell you I have been in quite a few situations similiar to Ms Higgins. The reason I was able to extract myself from these situations was because I was in control - that is sober. It's a good condition to be in. You don't lose your inhibitions. It helps you to make the right decisions. Such as - not going into my workplace out of hours and getting up to ... what? As for the bloke - he was a scumbag. Pity Ms Higgins couldn't tell - but I suppose she was in no condition to.
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Post by pim on Mar 8, 2021 23:36:24 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Mar 13, 2021 16:04:51 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Mar 16, 2021 20:27:12 GMT 10
Meanwhile share holders get their franking credits.
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Post by caskur on Mar 16, 2021 21:39:54 GMT 10
Australia isn't run very well is it?
Full of no hopers!
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Post by ponto on Mar 16, 2021 22:28:32 GMT 10
Having no idea with future policies they are in it for themselves and their mates...apart from its federal guv for pensions ....the message is true.
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Post by pim on Mar 17, 2021 15:33:11 GMT 10
The myth: Scott Morrison "leads" Australia.
The reality:
Scott Morrison has been given many chances to prove he can be a leader. He’s said no every time
In the past he's avoided, spun, and blustered his way through controversies – but after this week, the Australian public are seeing through the PM's facade.
Madonna King, March 17, 2021 Crikey
Scott Morrison is boxed into a corner on gender equality, and it will take a Houdini-like performance for him or his government to escape without serious damage.
Brittany Higgins and Chanel Contos, two strong and savvy young women, have managed to create a movement that just might — and certainly should — change the course of history.
The clue to that was in Monday’s marches. In Sydney and Brisbane and Canberra and elsewhere, people rallied against an inequality that has been ignored for too long, as well as a prime minister whose inaction is perpetuating it.
But it wasn’t just the number of protesters that signalled how this might play out at the ballot box; rather, it was the breadth of people who left their homes and offices and schools to make this protest count.
Women and men. Students in full school uniform, accompanied by teachers and school principals. The very young and the very old. Professionals and tradies. Those with daughters, and those with sons. Mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters. Liberals, as well as those who have never voted for Scott Morrison’s side of politics.
This wasn’t children at a climate change rally he could send back to school. And that’s why the prime minister should be wary of the rapidly-moving comet headed in his direction.
The impact of what is now unfolding in schools and workplaces and on our streets is magnified by the fact that this is an issue that requires nuance and leadership and consultation and respect.
Scott Morrison just doesn’t have the skill set.
He hasn’t been helped by a ministry of men and women whose actions and comments also seem to show a disconnect between those in power and those feeling powerless.
“Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets, but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”
That was the prime minister’s actual response to the hurt and anger of tens of thousands of Australians who braved sun and wind and rain to be heard.
Yesterday he was quick to claim that he had been “egregiously misrepresented’’, but that’s how it was read — and shows up how this issue has exposed his weakness as a leader.
Scott Morrison could act here. He could act like a prime minister.
He could find a new attorney-general. And he should. But he won’t.
He could find a new defence minister. And he should. But he won’t.
He could apologise to Brittany Higgins and Chanel Contos and the thousands of other young women who have been raped or sexually abused. And he should. But he won’t.
He could lead the charge against the victim-shaming that is being allowed to run as an unsavoury undercurrent in this debate. And he should. But he won’t.
He doesn’t know how to sack a non-performing minister.
He doesn’t know how to say “I’m sorry”.
And he doesn’t have the ability — despite his alleged expertise in marketing — to shut down the ignorant attacks on young women brave enough to put their hand up.
The everyman with cap routine won’t work this time. Indeed, it will cost him dearly.
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Post by ponto on Mar 25, 2021 2:02:37 GMT 10
The end is nigh for Sco D'oh....https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/will-lachlan-murdoch-make-the-pm-an-offer-he-can-t-refuse-don-t-bet-against-it/ar-BB1eTwhv?ocid=msedgntp
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