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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 1:42:35 GMT 10
The problem with this is that Australia is full of sheep, and will follow Rupert Murdoch.  |
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Post by fat on Sept 1, 2013 2:13:04 GMT 10
I think you missed the amended version "Murdock needs Tony"
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Post by pim on Sept 1, 2013 6:11:02 GMT 10
Murdock? Oh, you mean Murdoch!!
Murdoch needs nobody, least of all an Australian PM. And as for Australia being "full of sheep", the thing about democracy is that it starts from the simple principle that the people always get it right. Even when they're wrong!
The Abbott Liberals will win the upcoming elections, Rudd Labor will lose, and Labor will accept the result. Democracy won't work if the loser in a democratic election doesn't accept the result, as we've seen over the past three years!
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Post by geopol on Sept 1, 2013 10:12:22 GMT 10
Murdoch wins? Is that democracy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 10:31:37 GMT 10
Murdoch does need Tony, while Australians will most likely vote for Abbotts it must be remembered he is not representing the needs of all the people he is representing the needs of a powerful few such as Murdoch et al, which in itself is corruption.
And why Rudd while running out of puff now is still intrinsically a better leader, while there were those in Labor who did approve of his leadership style because he was not representing the needs of the unions and the powerful within Labor, he set his own agenda which was representing the people first.
I the end the people that votes Abbott in will get what they deserve, unfortunately those that did not vote for him will also get what the majority deserve....such is democracy, and Matt is correct people have taken on a herd mentality, manipulated by propaganda and spin, and that doesn't bode well for a future democracy, more Orwell's big brother.
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Post by pim on Sept 1, 2013 12:00:38 GMT 10
German poet/playwright Bertolt Brecht put it much more poetically. His response to the 1953 uprising in East Berlin against the Soviet occupation of East Germany which was crushed by Red Army tanks was a poem entitled, in English translation, as "The Solution". The Germans know it as "die Lösung". Here it is in English translation. Because it is after all a translation, it doesn't read as a poem. But if you read it in the original German it certainly reads as a poem:
The Solution
Bertolt Brecht
After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writer's Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
It's just occurred to me that when I visited Berlin over 20 years ago the long, long street in what used to be West Berlin up to the Brandenburg Gate which marked the border with East Berlin (Checkpoint Charlie is elsewhere) is called "17th June Street" or "Strasse des 17ten Juni". I hadn't realised that the street name was inspired by those events of 60 years ago. That this street was given that name by the West Berlin authorities during the height of the Cold War is testimony to just how intense the politics were. The street ends just before the Brandenburg Gate and where the Wall used to stand there's an open square. Ronald Reagan stood at this spot and gave his "tear down this wall" speech. I walked through the Brandenburg Gate into East Berlin a year after the wall had come down. I then walked to Checkpoint Charlie and deliberately crossed from East to West, reflecting as I did so that a year previously it would have been impossible.
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Post by geopol on Sept 1, 2013 14:34:50 GMT 10
Of course Earl I agree, but new are in a mess, and I suspect most of us are so from our own doing, being blissfully unaware of what Abbott has been all about for so long, largely because we want to be and are only interested in the gut wrenching stuff like refugees, burquas,the emotive word "deficit" and anything else that acts as a distraction. Our attention span is limited and our education has been poor, or if not poor has ben disregarded by so many as a waste of time. We are the product of the consumer society on heat, a media out for its own objectives and out own self absorption.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 15:21:46 GMT 10
Murdoch deserves punishment, but what sort of punishment I am unsure.
Especially after the phone tapping scandal.
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Post by pim on Sept 1, 2013 18:22:40 GMT 10
You're a vindictive little SOB arencha Matt! No 1Cor13 in your Christian paradigm is there!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 21:19:45 GMT 10
You're a vindictive little SOB arencha Matt! No 1Cor13 in your Christian paradigm is there! Retribution is part of Christianity and the Bible. Christianity is not just some laissez passer allowing a person to just do whatever the hell they want without consequence. There are consequences, and there should be retribution and payment for wrongs. In the case of Rupert Murdoch, he has committed a wrong against the whole of society, and the phone tapping scandal is evidence of that. He should face punishment and should be thrown in jail along with all those who will be paying for his unethical behaviour. |
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Post by fat on Sept 1, 2013 23:50:13 GMT 10
Murdoch - yes - post in haste - repent at leisure.
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Post by pim on Sept 2, 2013 9:58:14 GMT 10
Is that why they say "post-haste"  |
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